Crime & Punishment

Why would I hate mining? I don't even hate ganking. I just believe like all mechanics, ganking needs to be balanced. It's too low risk and low effort for the reward it gives. You can keep misrepresenting my point of view, but it won't change my views. Pretending that it's not carebear PvP is laughable mate.

So you're saying no mechanic should ever be balanced? Why was force projection nerfed? Players should have done something. Why was drone assist nerfed? Players should have done something. Why is fleet warp being nerfed? Players should do something.


About the whole concord reaction thing by the way, the old rule was
I believe what Dracvlad is suggesting is a return to that mentality, so a GCC is a punishment preventing further criminal activity for the whole duration of the timer. As it stands the GCC is irrelevant since you can proceed without it. A -10 already has facpo on the way, so having concord on the way is no big deal.

No problem, always happy to share information.

I honestly doubt you're going to get much traction out of CCP when it comes to making Concord "better". CCP has said over and over and over again that highsec is safer, not safe, and suicide ganking should be a valid game mechanic.

As is, ganking in and of itself is pretty much on the ropes as a playstyle. It exists because there are dedicated groups of people out there willing to devote the time and energy needed to mitigate the consequences of suicide ganking. Any more difficult, and ganking will be functionally impossible.

Don't forget, Eve is primarily a game about player interaction and conflict. Given a choice between "let players handle it" and "Let NPC/Game mechanics handle it", CCP will veer toward "players" every time. Suicide ganking is one of those areas. Anyone can freely engage a GCC pod, and -5 and below are open season. The fact that the vast majority of highsec players won't engage an outlaw isn't reason enough to change up the mechanics.

Lets take an alternate universe Eve. Same Concord mechanics, only in this world when an outlaw shows up in local, everyone else drops what they're doing and goes on the hunt. How effective do you think ganking would be in that situation?

Ah, now that you noticed that your proposed nerf is already implemented and it was not the "one nerf to fix them all" you just propose another nerf which will be the "one nerf to fix them all".

I am not after a nerf to make hisec totally safe, I just want it a bit safer because I think there is too much ganking in hisec for the health of the game, but I believe that ganking is a perfectly legitimate play style. So my two revised suggestions is to get back to how it was in terms of the 15 minute GCC and docking penalties for -10 characters for that 15 minutes. Both perfectly reasonable suggestions and hardly something that will stop people as resourceful as you lot, just slow you down a bit which is the desired effect...

As a PvP interaction, it's level of risk and/or difficulty is directly proportional to the effort put in by the people on the other side.

And as for it's reward, that's also directly proportional to the greed and/or stupidity of the people getting ganked.

How can you "balance" the fact that dumbasses are handing it to us on a silver platter? It could be much harder, in fact with existing mechanics it could be nigh impossible, but people just will not L2P like real players.

You want to nerf ganking because some people are terribad at the game and can't learn to use obvious existing counters? You're pathetic.

I think what Lucas Kell and others are missing is that, yeah it is relatively cheap to gank a freighter, but the risk, effort, and reward are fully 100% determined by the target's choices.

If freighters properly hauled, ganking would be a dead profession. It's because people put 10-25 billion into fully anti-tanked freighters that ganking has thrived as long as it did. It's because the PEOPLE getting ganked are stupid, not because ganking is flawed in and of itself.

You need a minimum 15 people to gank a fully expanded freighter in a 0.5 in catalysts.
You need a minimum of 15 minutes for a four people to hyperdunk a fully expanded freighter with stealth bombers. (hyperdunking is easily countered by bringing in a bantam, or asking for help in local or anti-ganking)

My thought on the issue is that if you're being ganked, it's 100% your own fault for making yourself look appealing enough to get ganked (or worthwhile) or being ignorant or AFK or logged off.


On top of the DOZENS of ways to avoid getting ganked in the first place, I have no sympathy for anyone who cries about ganking.

Therefore you believe that there should be no balance of rewards, and ganking should remain ludicrously profitable. Shock horror, you're a carebear.

It's absolutely relevant.



Nope. I'm not "specifically choosing" anything, they specifically chose to put themselves in such a state, I'm just taking advantage of their foolishness, whereas you want to remove any consequences such stupid actions have.

You want to lower the bar even further for mining and hauling. Like they aren't already two of the lowest effort activities in any MMO.

how exactly do you balance player choice?, what i mean is, its the players choice to load so much stuff in a freighter so should we nerf freighter by only allowing a certain amount of isk to be carried?