EVE General Discussion

I believe your concept on what a T3 should be is the most acute idea I've heard in the forums. A specialize ship that can perform many roles the same (NOT LESS) as their T2 Counters and have a sorta built in mobile depot like ability that can refit in space on the fly like a carrier. Have a 700 m3 cargo hold to be able to hold multiple subs & mods and having slightly less dps, but more tank than a HAC with no drone bays.

I suppose something T2 can't do. This is the only way to exist in EVE without stepping on anyone's toes while being useful. They already have an ability to completely change themselves by refitting subs in addition to refitting any other ship is capable of. New T3Cs can be developed around this general idea.

Sure, this won't be a fleet ship at this point. Not that they must be.


SP loss, I'm ok if it goes away tbh. Just personal preference. Other than that, if T3s cease to be min/max material and become that "Swiss army ship" they were advertised as but never truly were, then their versatility will sure cost something over T2 ship they can mimic. The only thing I suppose must happen is subs price adjustment to ensure that having spare ones in cargohold (or better yet - in dedicated subsystems hold) is not a luxury or foolish endeavour, but standard way of flying new T3Cs.

EDIT: Oh, got ninja'd by your reply.


I believe that systems they can use (like drones, additional tank etc.) should be part of mosaic of their abilities. Currently, there are situational drone configurations people actually use, for example. I believe there's no point in specifically destroying them regardless of what particular ship we are talking about.

I think I can agree with you on where they should be on general power level.

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I suppose people have different ideas on how T3s work and what is realistic to use against them. I suppose that for long ranged T3 fleets neuts aren't really the answer, in other situations they help immensely indeed.

Wait, new battleships? where did this come from?

have thought the same since introduced, came from there tech works there. t3 closed off a lot of roles for other existing ships for 2 reasons only: 1) someone thought it as a cool idea and, 2) ccp was needing to introduce new skills to keep keep high skill players interested. ccp has always been a bit schizophrenic about retaining old or recruiting new players, a difficult task as the spread/disparity between young and old increases. A new BS? no, thanks.

Solution 1 is the one that best fits the space CCP have said a T3 is meant to fill. If it does both roles at the same time at lets say.... 75% efficiency compared to the T2 specialist ship.... you then have 150% of both if you get two T3's, while only 100% of both if you go one specialist in each.
Which means T3's become ideal for covering a large number of roles in a small gang, but a large fleet or a very purpose built gang you are going to see T2's as specialising is best when you have the numbers or only plan for one thing.

Unique roles are more suited to a specialist ship, being...... specialists and all that jazz.

Whats the point in t2 cruisers if T3 overpower them at their specialty?

Reducing them down to below t2 cruisers would not make them useless, they can still retain their adaptability and with the mobile depot they can swap to be something different on the fly like no other ship can. Right now t3 either invalidate or overpower everything from t1 cruisers up to battleships.

you mean they need a way to somehow defend against bombs, which in turn were introduced into the game to counter blobs of battleships in the first line? If any nerf of bombs will allow BS blobs to rise again, it will simply mean that bombs become useless as counter and greatly fail its purpose.

You can already defend against bombs, field few squads of instalocker T3 and pop the bombers as they decloak. Bombing already gets nerfed a little in the upcoming expansion by fleet warp changes.

I kinda miss BS fleets but if I had a choice between blobs of T3 and blobs of BS I would rather pick the first. Popping a T3 is simply more satisfying due to its cost and skill loss for the pilot compared to a fully insured BS.


On a side note: which BS are they going to introduce? I must've missed something.

all kinds of wrong. In the last few months BS hulls have poured into lowsec (possibly null too but im there less so i see less) - solo'ers and gangs. A few tweaks here and there and a mass of pew vids to educate the playerbase has made alot of difference. Yep tech 3 cruisers are powerful (multi skill requiring, expensive etc) and do still get roflstomped. The gaps between hulls are also being misreported. So a tengu will smash a mega (usually) assuming equal skill and the fact the mega got fit for all guns in highs no webs etc. WHAT A SUPRISE! but a brawler t1 BS should die to a Tengu that doesnt mess up.

Now take that same 'Gu against a Geddon (still t1 basic) or a Rattlesnake (still t1 but coloured :) ) or how about a good old Vindi?
T3 survival drops sharrply huh? Of course we can counter each others arguments with statements like "Mebbbe i cant tackled tenguuu) - Which brings response "fly betterer?)


So. T3s rock
BSs rock
D3s are broke except Hecate.

Have a nice day

Battleships need a tracking, dps and tank buff as they're currently just big floating pinatas.

Battleship tracking is just fine.