Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Ok, so I attempted to use 3 of these with precision scripts on a Torp Golem.
They were terribad..

I went back to using triple PWNAGE TPs.

MTC has nowhere near the same effect as a tracking comp.
They're virtually useless, unless you're trying to get range out of them...
they're great for range, but that's it.

And of course this is why Drakes with heavy missiles dominate fleet engagements...

See, here's the problem.

Even outside of optimal, the TPs on a Golem still perform better than MTCs.
Now, on a Raven, I don't know. I think a TP is still better than an MTC, but I don't know by how much.

It seems like the MTC is really only effective for heavy missiles, which have poor application, but also have poor range.
However, I still feel that they're the only missiles that would be more positively effected by MTC than any other missile system.
Rockets and lights don't really need application bonuses, as they're already quite effective, rockets have good enough range for brawling, and lights actually have great range for a frig class weapon.

IDK.. I guess they're broken either way..

Well, that consideration is really more based off what they used to be, and how ineffective their application is.
You would assume that their lack luster application would be countered by range.

Factoring range alone, they're OK... Once you factor in application, you would assume their range would be greater to compensate for application.

IMO, missiles seemed to be a bit backwards across the board, really.
Short range missiles have worse application, despite the shorter range.

Application is essentially tracking for missiles.
With turrets, short range have more damage and better tracking.
long range have, well, greater range, typically by quite a bit.

In the case of missiles, short range means worse application with higher DPS.
Why does a cruise missile have better application at short range, with less module assistance, than torps?
That would be like swapping rail and blaster tracking.

Back on topic though, when CCP nerfed heavies, they should have nerfed range OR application. Instead, they nerfed both and gave a lack luster weapon system.

Yes and given enough transversal the turrets will also miss, so that evens out. The POINT is that missiles work at all of their ranges equally well, whereas turrets have many more variables to control in regards to optimal, falloff and ammo choices. This is not difficult to understand.

Do tell us how it would end any different from any other BC using turrets.


- side note -

Anyone who solos in a CBC and gets kited to death is a fcking moron. So if you're trying to go there I'll just laugh at you.

If my range is 50kms with missiles, I will not hit a moving target if he is at 50kms.

Also, I have seen missiles hit for 0 damage before.

I've also seen a frigate 9km from a BS, using a warp scram, orbit at max speed with a missile volley chasing it, until the missiles ran out of gas.


There's this silly little rumor that has always gone around that missiles always hit...
Yes, the most definitely always hit structures and parked ships.

That has nothing to do with the range of the frigate but with its speed. And stop over exaggerating.

Whenever you hit approach on a turret boat, yes even a dread, a frigate wil get vaporized with one single shot. Now let's remove turrets from the game since they are all op.

Again, you do realize that our one time use artillery-drones do need to be launched and fly to their destination first right?

People always will come up with counters and even if we would get 100% application back, you do need a target lock on something to shoot and a frigate takes like an hour to lock. By the time a Raven appears on grid and has slowed down enough to make a target lock in the first place, your gang might have put her into armor already.

You need to look at it from ALL angles, not a (as in one) single edge-case scenario to "proove" your point.

I am still willing to go with Nevyn's approach IF they change the damage application formular to ditch the speed part and only let the target signature decide how much damage is applied.

Dude, Golem has the same TP bonuses as a Hyena or Huginn! Its like a torp BS and a recon wrapped into one. What did you think was going to happen? Thats like comparing watermelons to oranges. Yes, they are both fruits. But that's about it. Ofc you would use MGC on a golem for range and not precision, and stick with the massively bonused TPs for better application.