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Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#141 - 2015-07-17 16:17:11 UTC
Candi LeMew wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:

I don't want more null content, thanks. I'd live in null if I did. More wormhole content is always welcome though.


no it's a WHer's god-given right to be able to roam null as much as they want

Thera has a bunch of null statics~

But Thera is null s ... oh, I get it now.

Anyway, call me traditional but **** nullsec.

You read half the posts here and in the same breath people complain about lack of content in w-space, while simultaneously promoting further connections to take more fleets out of w-space. Michael mentioned nulls connectivity to further w-space, and that's a good point, but lets be honest, most people want the nulls for null, not the next connection to w-space. It's a great option to have, and a nice change at times, but imo it's becoming all too common for peope to write off their chains even before they login sometimes, even in my corp I hear people planning what they're going to do in null next time they login. **** that. Rage roll? Nope. Scan further down chain? Nope. Roll static and scan a fresh chain. Sometimes. Null roam? Yeah!

And people wonder why nobody is in chain. GTFO out of anoikis.

more like anoinkis B)

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#142 - 2015-07-17 16:18:21 UTC
Candi LeMew wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
random dooder #46.

He can't be that random, surely.

He seems to get it. You'd almost think he'd spent years in wormholes.


no you're immediately excised from memory as soon as you leave

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

CivilWars
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#143 - 2015-07-17 16:20:18 UTC  |  Edited by: CivilWars
unimatrix0030 wrote:
How can anyone say it is a good change?
Everyone like the more connections c4's have gotten, now c5's get less.
Less connections, less content, for everybody!

I will say it is good for w-space because it will encourage/force people to actually fight IN w-space. If there aren't enough people willing to actually fight IN w-space then they leave or quit. If you live in w-space, and someone who would never fight you anyway leaves then how exactly is it bad for you?

If you get most/all of your PVP in null then log off in a J system that doesn't make you a wormholer FYI.

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Jack Hayson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2015-07-17 16:20:59 UTC
Candi LeMew wrote:
And people wonder why nobody is in chain.

Do you think that those fleets would be sitting in their chain if there were no null holes?Roll

Null holes cause people being in space and only that creates content. If you see a gang leaving through a null hole put a dictor there and catch them on their way back.
If there was no null hole they wouldn't be in space and probably not even logged in.


Besides... in certain parts of null those wormholes are the only threat left that ratters have to face.(well that and those super scary afk cloakers) Of course the carebears are pushing hard for their removal so that they can afk rat in safety.
Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#145 - 2015-07-17 16:23:00 UTC
"if there weren't null holes I wouldn't even play this game"

I can't even

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CivilWars
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#146 - 2015-07-17 16:23:21 UTC
Jack Hayson wrote:
Candi LeMew wrote:
And people wonder why nobody is in chain.

Do you think that those fleets would be sitting in their chain if there were no null holes?Roll

Null holes cause people being in space and only that creates content. If you see a gang leaving through a null hole put a dictor there and catch them on their way back.
If there was no null hole they wouldn't be in space and probably not even logged in.


Besides... in certain parts of null those wormholes are the only threat left that ratters have to face.(well that and those super scary afk cloakers) Of course the carebears are pushing hard for their removal so that they can afk rat in safety.

I, for one, know when I think of 1337 WH PVP the first thing that comes to mind is killing afktars. It might even be the definition in the wiki...

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Jezza McWaffle
Suddenly Pineapples.
Straight to Killboard
#147 - 2015-07-17 16:44:57 UTC
Yes a lack of null holes defintley means people will stop logging in...
Happy to see those players leave W-space tbh.

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Candi LeMew
Division 13
#148 - 2015-07-17 17:05:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Candi LeMew
Andrew Jester wrote:
Candi LeMew wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
random dooder #46.

He can't be that random, surely.

He seems to get it. You'd almost think he'd spent years in wormholes.


no you're immediately excised from memory as soon as you leave

You're still burned into mine like a branding iron to my buttocks.

It hurts so good. Oops

Jack Hayson wrote:
If there was no null hole they wouldn't be in space and probably not even logged in.

Oh dear.

You weren't supposed to say that, because it kinda supports what I was saying.

Though aside from that, I haven't really seen anyone pushing for less nulls, though granted I don't frequent places where farming-types make suggestions. All I have seen is "wormholers" taken a little off-guard by a sudden drop in these nulls and getting all upset about it, almost as if nullsec content was the main reason they were in wormholes. Yet they keep saying these null holes are critical for them to leave w-space to find content because there's no one in w-space.

Kinda see the pattern forming?

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#149 - 2015-07-17 18:50:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
plenty of null exits was always a viable reason to live in WH for many people, so was farming null bears.
Nothing wrong with that. Your dull arranged WH pvp wasnt everyones thing.
La loca Fappuccino
DEFCON.
The Initiative.
#150 - 2015-07-17 18:54:33 UTC  |  Edited by: La loca Fappuccino
"There's something in the C4 chain."
"Cool, let's go shoot it."

"There's something out in the Low Sec."
"Cool, let's go shoot it."

"There's probably things out in Null somewhere."
"Cool, let's go shoot it."

I don't think I ever cared about where the content came from, just so long as it came. I've not noticed any shortage on the Wormhole side of pvp but that could just be my own personal experiences.

Maybe looking inwards is a good step forward for Wormhole space. It might even grow if we gave more of a damn about who's living in the Wormholes next to us rather than if they lead to sov or not.
Jezza McWaffle
Suddenly Pineapples.
Straight to Killboard
#151 - 2015-07-17 18:54:38 UTC
Tell us more about this arranged wormhole pvp you have no experience with.

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#152 - 2015-07-17 19:09:59 UTC
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
Tell us more about this arranged wormhole pvp you have no experience with.


"wanna fight?"
"sure bro, lets act as if we were at war and stuff..!"
"yaayyyyyy \o/"
CivilWars
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#153 - 2015-07-17 19:28:07 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
plenty of null exits was always a viable reason to live in WH for many people, so was farming null bears.
Nothing wrong with that. Your dull arranged WH pvp wasnt everyones thing.

And farming boonies wasn't everyone's thing either. To each their own I guess.

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#154 - 2015-07-17 19:29:40 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
Tell us more about this arranged wormhole pvp you have no experience with.


"wanna fight?"
"sure bro, lets act as if we were at war and stuff..!"
"yaayyyyyy \o/"

Hey, look at me, I can drop supers on atrons. This makes me one of the cool kids, right?

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Necharo Rackham
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#155 - 2015-07-17 19:50:39 UTC
Candi LeMew wrote:

Sometimes. Null roam? Yeah!.


On the plus side they were getting excited about some aspect of eve. I wouldn't be surprised if they logged in somewhat less often and for shorter periods of time.

Most of the time hunting in w-space is like roaming in Aridia.
Pax Deltari
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2015-07-17 19:55:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Pax Deltari
Robert Caldera wrote:
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
Tell us more about this arranged wormhole pvp you have no experience with.


"wanna fight?"
"sure bro, lets act as if we were at war and stuff..!"
"yaayyyyyy \o/"


More like.

"Hey ****, Yeah you in the loki.. **** you!"
"К сожалению, я говорю только по русский."

*Fight ensues. If allies on it escalates.

"Gf.."
"Странный Американский..."
Andrew Jester
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Pandemic Legion
#157 - 2015-07-17 20:08:08 UTC
CivilWars wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
Tell us more about this arranged wormhole pvp you have no experience with.


"wanna fight?"
"sure bro, lets act as if we were at war and stuff..!"
"yaayyyyyy \o/"

Hey, look at me, I can drop supers on atrons. This makes me one of the cool kids, right?

that was fun as **** until they got rid of drone assign

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy

Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
#158 - 2015-07-17 20:36:41 UTC
Jezza McWaffle wrote:
Yes a lack of null holes defintley means people will stop logging in...
Happy to see those players leave W-space tbh.



We all know they won´t leave. They will just buy more chars, set them up in another rentercitizens hole and run another set of escalations every day.
Then they will complain about the lack of content and evict someone to "get a fight".

Necharo Rackham wrote:
Most of the time hunting in w-space is like roaming in Aridia.


Every big group blue to each other, dropping everything and their mother on any neutrals and then complaining about noone fighting? Sounds about right.


The people who follow the rule "ratting and content are decided by your static" seem to have no problem with this change.
Necharo Rackham
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#159 - 2015-07-17 20:45:08 UTC
Shilalasar wrote:

Necharo Rackham wrote:
Most of the time hunting in w-space is like roaming in Aridia.


Every big group blue to each other, dropping everything and their mother on any neutrals and then complaining about noone fighting? Sounds about right.


I think you underestimate how empty C5 space is generally. Go back three years, most groups weren't as big, there were more mid-sized corps on average and only VoC really roamed null all the time - and C5 space was still famine or feast (and mostly famine at that).

There's a reason people started roaming null.
unimatrix0030
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#160 - 2015-07-18 08:28:00 UTC
CivilWars wrote:

I will say it is good for w-space because it will encourage/force people to actually fight IN w-space. If there aren't enough people willing to actually fight IN w-space then they leave or quit. If you live in w-space, and someone who would never fight you anyway leaves then how exactly is it bad for you?

If you get most/all of your PVP in null then log off in a J system that doesn't make you a wormholer FYI.

It makes it less likely for people the find each other wich in a multiplayer environment is bad.
And i think most w-space alliances usualy look at it this way:
Is there pew in wh's to be found after at least 1 hours or more of scanning?
Yes->go do pew
No-> any low or null there with pew?
->yes go pew
->no start at the top or log of

The less holes also makes it harder for the very few nullbears that do try wh's for to come in.
It makes it less likely for wh-space alliances to go and mess with null.
So were is the good side again?
The opportunity cost to get pew has just gotton bigger.
And all that because some null alliance was not able to adapt.

No local in null sec would fix everything!