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Isn't that done in a separate thread? I don't think I've noticed it impact the client much.

What other hisec PVE activity requires the same level of coordination between a bunch of players in this game?


Nullsec PVEing is hardly "risk free".

You are right about the high sec numbers being inflated. But its unclear that wormholes numbers are deflated. Many wormhole players keep at least one alt in their wormhole just incase they get podded right?

So while the high sec numbers are very likely inflated and the null sec and low sec numbers are deflated its unclear whether the wormhole numbers are deflated or inflated due to that extra alt being kept there. Sure maybe not everyone in the corp has an alt there but many will.

The biggest difference between empire and wormholes is the lack of local. Yes wormholes need to be scanned but that is not a big deal. The fact that wormholes can close and bounce you on another side of the universe is a pretty big deal too but you can see if its about to close.

The biggest difference is the no local so you have no way to tell what sort of numbers you may be up against. Going into a place with no local for pvp is just begging to get blobbed. But if wormholes had local many more people would go there for pvp.

Please. If wormholes had local PvP would be decimated. It would be impossible to plan any types of ops covertly. People would dock up at the first sign of a stranger. It would suck the life out of wormholes altogether. It would become as safe as high sec sadly.

Fortunately nothing that stupid would ever happen.

Unless you can reliably stick an empty velator anywhere in a system over an extended period of time, and not get podded, then it's not going to be as safe as hisec. Safer than now, yes, but not as safe as hisec, that's taking it too far.

Except it doesn't prevent them from running around and choosing juicy targets, which is a fairly nice advantage to have.

The only reason you can do that in high sec is basically because no one cares about a free noob ship floating around out there. It's not worth getting Concordokken over. In a wormhole, that's a target of opportunity... either someone that doesn't belong there or someone that you want to remove for control purposes.

Although, with those damnable cloak breaking probes, you probably could leave a velator parked somewhere as long as you had people manning the probes (would become required) and keeping the cloakie on the run if one should show up.

So yeah... those probes would effectively make wormholes nearly as safe as high sec.

Nearly as safe as high sec and more dangerous than null sec.

You seem to be coming around that null sec is already safe enough without nerfing it further by breaking cloaks. It's already quite clear that being able to scan down a cloaked vessel would make wormholes incredibly safe places to live... no one would ever have a chance to be in a hole long enough to hunt a random target, gather intel in preparation for an op, anything. Wormhole PvP would die.

Minor? MINOR? You really need to start paying attention or at least learning the game a little before you go blathering on about things.

Let's state it again, not that you'll actually pay attention.

If you could scan cloaked ships down with probes, for example, these would become required items in wormholes. It would become one of the first things you do when logging on, when anything is happening, etc. to have these probes out looking for cloaked vessels... much like it's common practice to keep a skynet of probes out looking for new K162s that may appear. So, what's this mean? If someone comes (or is in) your hole cloaked, you get a ping that there's a cloaked ship somewhere.

The relentless hunting begins.

You begin to attempt to scan him down continually, and if you're trying to protect your hole you never stop until he's either caught or leaves, period. You coordinate with someone else (if required) who has combats out in case he logs... you go for the quick hit and kill. It would become impossible to be in a hole with the intent of preparing for an invasion, for example... you couldn't stay in there to scan the opening for a fleet... you couldn't park off the pos and gather intel. It would become ungodly easy to lock the system down to any unwanted visitors that you would decimate wormhole PvP, completely breaking the system.

Odds are that you won't admit to understanding this... Goons troll after all. If that's you're game you're playing it well btw. But... others understand. CCP certainly does as well.

I do not think you know what you think you know.