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I don't think that a module to reduce your signature is ever going to be a good idea, because you will find ships fitting them into spare mids (eg; jackdaw, Sacrilege, etc) with AAR tanks in order to get a synergy between low-sig armour tank and the sig-reducing module.

Consider also the effect of this in Wolf-Rayet wormholes with T3 Destroyers such as an armour-fit Svipul with links in a C13 already gets down to a sig radius of 23m, if you chopped that another 20% it gets down to the same sig as a light drone. Ridiculous.

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I think that the one or two uses of shield rechargers (rattler, SNI) might barely justify keeping them as they are, but unless they become significantly stronger the maths will work against them every time, as proved above.

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I will again plump the idea of the Flux Coil being a module for the passive transfer of capacitor to shield. It would create interesting Bhaalgorn fits in pulsars, where you could suck cap from your opponents and convert the capacitor into shield hitpoints, etc, and similarly in k-space.

Another thing to consider CCP Terminus, when discussing Rattlesnakes in PVE, is the fact that by and large the way they are being used these days in most situations besides nullsec anomalies (where they are mostly overkill for the purpose they are used in) is in tandem with a depot.

90% ofRattler pilots will drop a depot and tractor, and refit on the fly using the depot to switch between tank and gank, or if being ganked in a wormhole, MJD and stabs. Rattler pairs in C4's will also hot swap high slots between cap transfers, shield RR and smartbombs using a depot.

So I gues, when looking at Rattlesnake usage of shield rechargers, you have to consider that the guys using them are probably not permanently using them anyway; during high DPS phases of running a combat site or DED complex you may fit the recharger for a minute or two to gain the extra 50 HP/s recharge, but when the DPs falls off you can swap immediately for a passive hardener, or an Omnidirectional Tracking Link and get uber drone tracking, or a target painter, etc.

Likewise a proper C4 rattler will have a full DPS gank fit and a full passive fit; when your partner is being primed you swap SPR's for DCU's, in the very least, and then swap back when he reports aggro switch.

As said before, if you make the flux coil an active module, the choice therefore if whether to activate it (and be unable to swap out the module if aggro switches) or swap it for a passive module.

Just my 5c.

I love the module tiercide. Keep it up CCP. :)

I doubt hardly anyone fits either of those three module types so maybe best to delete them or radically change their stats to make them worth fitting. Certainly fitting shield recharger modules is always a sign of a badly fitted ship whether in PvE or PvP.

This is true, but many meta modules are very cheap. Most of the time, choosing the base T1 module has only disadvantages. In my opinion, every module in the game should be useful.

The t1 modules are useful. If you're a brokebutt noob and it's all you can fit or afford. As you progress in the game you get better stuff.

I'll play analogy gal. When you get out of school and start out in life on your own.
Rhaman noodles are pretty awesome. Warm and filling and not poison to your body. (t1)

Then you get a premant job, the bills are paid down.
Spagetti and some meatballs are great. Same noodles (more or less) but now you can afford to add some sauce and some ground up cow, because you can afford it. (meta)

You've worked you way up in the company and you're a department head.
You go out for dinner. Lingini w/ alfredo sauce and sprinkle some clam across it. (t2)

You had a banner year! Life is awesome.
You spend your 'Im awesome' bonus on prime rib, imported wine, some lobster. (faction/ded bling)

So now you're in your x-type mach blitzing level 4 missions. Rhaman noodles don't even enter your mind, but out there somewhere there is a brokebutt noob wipin the sweat off his forehead thanking his lucky stars that his t1 shield booster got him passed those 3 frigates in the lvl 1 pirate abound mission.

It's all relative dude. Everything is useful. At the end of the day, if a module is only useful for invention.... so what?

Thank you for at least responding with that much.

That's fine too. It defines the line. t1 user = noob. meta user = young pilot on his way up in the world.

The proliferation of meta mods is due to cry bears lobbying for things like mtu. Automating the gathering of resources is not good for the games economy. The closer you get to passive - the more everything loses value. Moon goo is a perfect example of how something for nothing is bad for the game. Pilots that can't see 3 years down the road are proffering ideas for deployables that salvage and so forth.

The same can be said for faction and DED modules. A faction fit ship used to be a rare, expensive and powerful thing. The LP stores and caldari navy gear (just picked one for example) means everyone gets faction gear at a fraction of what it used to be. Same w/ null bears lobbying for anoms. There used to be 3 x-type boosters and 1 x-type armor repper on sale in Jita - that was rare poop at a premium price. Now there are price wars and market manipulations on that stuff.

Faction BS used to cost 1B isk (give or take) and they were rare. Now I have stacks of them and they are dirt cheap.

My point. If you want to ***** about modules and their priceing - lobby for a fix that will actually add value to the modules/market/game. Tweaking a few stats treats the symptoms. You need to go after the disease.

If CCP wants to balance modules they first have to get the productions stream (from resource gathering to market hub shelf) under control. There is little point to wasting resources on balancing and providing strata for a family of modules if there is no real cost difference to force cost vs performance decisions.

Right now it's basically (for pvp) fit t2. If you have cpu/grid issues put on faction. That's messed up.

TL/DR: CCP needs to slowly draw down the meta and faction drops to put some ACTUAL VALUE differences between the modules or no amount of balancing tweaks will mean anything. They should do this without telling us or putting it in any patch notes (market manipulation reasons)

Agree with this.

I would also recommend adjusting it so that the meta and faction modules no longer drop. Instead, have the BPC for those items drop. Then have the build requirements for the meta or faction module require the T1 item as part of the build cost for the module.

CCP Terminus, are we going to see new faction and meta modules for everything that does not have a meta and or faction variation of it?
For example Data and Relic analyzers?