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Pilots must be in an *alliance* to entosis station, iHub or TCU

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Borat Guereen
Doomheim
#1 - 2015-07-09 01:43:10 UTC
In CCP's post about the upcoming changes, a significant piece of information is laid out by CCP Fozzie.

"To ensure that anyone starting a Sovereignty capture event will also be able to complete the process, characters must be in a valid capsuleer Alliance in order to activate an Entosis link directly onto a TCU, IHub or Station. This restriction does not apply to Station Services."



Obviously this means that unaffiliated corporations will not be able to directly impact sov.
We regret that unaffiliated corporations are thus cast out of the sov game, even if we understand the mechanical reasons behind this requirement.

One of our goal in New Eden was to establish an active group of independent and clandestine corporations to bring fight to Null Sec so as to make freeports out of NullSec stations, in the spirit of our minarchist revolution and our war on taxes.
Unfortunately, this will not be possible under Fozzie sov, unless we leave clandestinity and become targets for the established imperial powers, a step that the Chao3 Revolutionary Council has decided to not take at that time.
The CRC encourages all its freedom fighters to fights on the side that will flip or maintain any Null Sec station as a freeport.






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d0cTeR9
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-07-09 02:16:05 UTC  |  Edited by: d0cTeR9
You can still entasis link station services, which is a pretty good and easy way to troll. You can also gate camp, do roams, etc. that's quite a lot of impact on null space sov holders.

Want to be taken seriously? Then create an alliance and try to take null space that belongs to someone.

It's only normal.

Been around since the beginning.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#3 - 2015-07-09 02:51:56 UTC
Sov is for Alliances, not Corporations.

Nothing is particularly changing.
Yarda Black
UK Corp
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2015-07-09 05:23:50 UTC
I find it very odd a corporation that wants to hold SOV knows nothing about either the current or new SOV system.

But here's the trick you need: You form an alliance with your single corp as a executor corp. As long as you do not accept other corps, it just your one corp holding sov, using the alliance shell as a sabot.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-07-09 05:59:21 UTC
If you really want to, you can just formally make your own alliance.
Honestly, I didn't expect such requirement from CCP since it's so easily circumvented anyway.

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Falken Falcon
#6 - 2015-07-09 06:25:51 UTC
Just out of curiosity, are there currently solo corporations that hold sov?

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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#7 - 2015-07-09 07:24:16 UTC
Is this not only for capture of Sov?
Rather than negating someone else's Sov, or have CCP gone back on their word that anyone can get involved in kicking out sov holders.
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
EDENCOM DEFENSIVE INITIATIVE
#8 - 2015-07-09 07:45:02 UTC
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#9 - 2015-07-09 13:45:38 UTC
I dont think you all get it. The OP does not want to take control of a station, he wants to others to NOT have control of a station.

If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be required to be in an alliance?

That said, OP, you can still make a dummy alliance, and move pilots in and out as needed.

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State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-07-09 14:00:47 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
I dont think you all get it. The OP does not want to take control of a station, he wants to others to NOT have control of a station.

If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be required to be in an alliance?

That said, OP, you can still make a dummy alliance, and move pilots in and out as needed.


He formed an alliance because he realised it was not hard.

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HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#11 - 2015-07-09 15:39:50 UTC  |  Edited by: HeXxploiT
Borat Guereen wrote:
In CCP's post about the upcoming changes, a significant piece of information is laid out by CCP Fozzie.

"To ensure that anyone starting a Sovereignty capture event will also be able to complete the process, characters must be in a valid capsuleer Alliance in order to activate an Entosis link directly onto a TCU, IHub or Station. This restriction does not apply to Station Services."



Obviously this means that unaffiliated corporations will not be able to directly impact sov.
We regret that unaffiliated corporations are thus cast out of the sov game, even if we understand the mechanical reasons behind this requirement.

One of our goal in New Eden was to establish an active group of independent and clandestine corporations to bring fight to Null Sec so as to make freeports out of NullSec stations, in the spirit of our minarchist revolution and our war on taxes.
Unfortunately, this will not be possible under Fozzie sov, unless we leave clandestinity and become targets for the established imperial powers, a step that the Chao3 Revolutionary Council has decided to not take at that time.
The CRC encourages all its freedom fighters to fights on the side that will flip or maintain any Null Sec station as a freeport.








Big deal. How hard is it to make an alliance. All one needs is two corporations joined together so two people?
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#12 - 2015-07-09 15:52:28 UTC
HeXxploiT wrote:


Big deal. How hard is it to make an alliance. All one needs is two corporations joined together so two people?

Do you even need two?
You do need a billion ISK.

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Borat Guereen
Doomheim
#13 - 2015-07-09 16:48:04 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:
I dont think you all get it. The OP does not want to take control of a station, he wants to others to NOT have control of a station.

If your goal does not include completing the capture process, why should you be required to be in an alliance?

That said, OP, you can still make a dummy alliance, and move pilots in and out as needed.


Yes, we already have an alliance, and our plan until this announcement was to participate into flipping stations to Freeports.

If we can add pilots indeed to our alliance, this removes the clandestine part of our operation for our freedom fighters.

We understand why an alliance is needed to take sov, but did not know it would be a requirement for flipping a station to Freeport.

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Spurty
#14 - 2015-07-09 16:50:26 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Sov is for Alliances, not Corporations.

Nothing is particularly changing.


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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#15 - 2015-07-09 18:16:53 UTC
Well ****, why don't we take this a step further... What about NPC corps? Why cant NPC Corps take Sov with the new system??!?!?!
Why cant 1 man corps take sov??!?!
Why cant completely NPC organizations take/retake sov!?!?!
Why can cats run exploration sites, but cant take sov?!??!
What happens if the Walnuts return!?!?
What the hell is this sticky crap on my desk?!?!?!
Who took my stapler?!??!
What is the average airspeed velocity of an unlaiden swallow!?!?!?
Who shot J.R!?!?!!?
How many of these used !??!!!? appropriately?!?!!?!
Why was my favorite taco truck out of salsa?!?!?!
Where in the world was Carmen SanDiego?!??!!?
What would you do for a Klondike bar?!?!?!

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Machiavellian Space Bastards
#16 - 2015-07-09 18:22:24 UTC
^^ You forgot

Can I have your stuff??!?!!?!?

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stoicfaux
#17 - 2015-07-09 18:23:29 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

What is the average airspeed velocity of an unlaiden swallow!?!?!?

That's a trick question. All swallows have been laid, because swallow eggs are laid. Therefore there are no unlaiden swallows.


edit: Know what I mean, Vern?

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#18 - 2015-07-09 18:27:08 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

What is the average airspeed velocity of an unlaiden swallow!?!?!?

That's a trick question. All swallows have been laid, because swallow eggs are laid. Therefore there are no unlaiden swallows.


edit: Know what I mean, Vern?


Don't you dare invoke the spirit of Jim Varney.

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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#19 - 2015-07-09 18:44:52 UTC
I get non alliances not being able to complete the capture event, but not being able to start it, thus flipping the station to freeport mode, seems less clear. if you aren't willing to defend your space it should be vulnerable, and seems like an arbitrary restriction.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#20 - 2015-07-09 18:47:44 UTC


Too many "magic rules" and arbitrary crap is going to make the SOV changes just another meh.



For the love of God, CCP please just kill all SOV mechanics and let the players work it out. Kill SOV or you kill the game. I'm seeing sub 15K logged in and I got people running missions un-molested with 2 wardecs going.


Summertime used to be full of epic because people had time to screw around. Now it's practically dead out there. Even the gankers are not seen much these days.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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