Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't know enough about lore to name the faction, but...

I'd like to see a Missile/armor class.
BUT, in a different way.


Armor resist bonus.
Natively strong armor.

Low missile usage.. Designed mostly for the use of combat sites, and extended travel.
Consider them a combat site focused version of SoE ships.


Frig
Faction
Armor resist bonus
Faction
Missile damage bonus
Role
Reduced reload time of rapid light launcher
Reduced cap usage of armor reps
Can fit cov cloak, immune to d-scan, OR bubble immunity

1 Missile hard point

Cruiser
Faction
Armor resist
Faction
Missile damage
Role
Reduced reload of rapid light
Reduced cap usage of armor reps
cloak, immune to d-scan, or bubble immunity

2 Missile hard points

BS
Faction
Armor resist
Faction
Missile Damage
Role
Reduced reload of RAPID HEAVY
reduced cap of armor reps
cloak, d-scan, or bubble
Can fit Bastion (replaces the remote armor bonuses you'd see on SoE)

3 Missile hard points


These would have relatively large holds, but again, are dedicated to prolonged adventures in search of combat sites.
The large holds are intended to carry large amounts of missiles and/or loot.
The low amount of missiles used and the rapid reload bonus are designed to allow good DPS, with minimal consumption..

In relation, their DPS wouldn't be the greatest of the Pirate factions, (likely somewhere in the middle), but with tank and cloak(or whatever), plus the reduced ammo usage, they would be quite effective.

The Frig and cruiser version would also have relatively high sensor strength (possibly the highest of all pirate hulls), while the BS would have lower (though not Marauder low) sensor strength.

As far as BS goes, the BS would likely have just under the DPS potential of a Marauder, but with the effective use of rapid heavies, it would have quite a bit more application.

Also, this ships have relatively high agility, allowing for fast alignment for the GTFO moments.



Does this sound like pirate hulls you would be interested in?
What would you change?

Remember, the intent is dedication to prolonged exposure in hostile territory, so they need one of the survivability factors.(such as cloak, bubble, or d-scan immunity).

Well, it's a mix from the role bonuses of Recons, Interceptors and Marauders in different combinations with some decent dps. A "Jack of all trades", so a big fat "no-no" from me ;)

Also i don't think we need more ships with bubble immunity.

Doesn't have to bubble immunity.

As far as the "jack of all trades", I see nothing wrong with this.
Truthfully, that was what the original balance plan for pirate ships was supposed to be.
Instead, they were given high damage with niche bonuses, in most cases.

However, for those that enjoy combat sites outside of HS, there isn't really a ship class that has a direct focus on this aspect.
Sure, there are plenty of ships that are capable, but they don't have the survivability I'm suggesting, and most don't have a build directed at prolonged exposure.

Typically your suggestion houses a lot of traits from different classes in one package. Pirate ships usually work with one trait from exotic bonus and another from having good stats in certain field. Like, warp speed "bonus" and high speed/agility for Angels. BR have 2 rare special bonuses instead, but oh well, it's not that we absolutely must formalize everything.

Your proposed ships are something entirely new because they are basically fusion of traits typically found on T2 ships combined with solid amount of more regular bonuses. Doesn't feel right honestly.

If your idea goes along the line of armor+missiles, that sounds like Khanid ships to me. They also have strong cap which can be used for local reps too. One problem though is that their lineup lacks a battleship.

...honestly, I just want Khanid torpedo Abaddon for some reason, so I keep mentioning that hypothetical ship. Would pay premium for that.

A better question to ask is if it can be accomplished with other ships. The extended deployment can be handled by bringing an industrial to haul goods (preferably a blockade runner) and some deployable items. The rest is just an armor fleet with missiles. While it's a bit unique, I don't think you have enough to justify a new pirate faction yet.

Try coming up with a special bonus for these, sort of like how Sansha ships have an afterburner bonus, or how Blood Raiders ships can use energy vampires to drain the opponent's capacitor lower than their own. It needs to be something useful enough to be popular, but balanced enough to not be exploited. Also, your ships using a very small number of rapid launchers specifically with a reload time bonus just to save missiles seems very contrived. Why don't they just use regular launchers and skip the reload time bonus? And if the frigate uses a RLML, does it get a powergrid cost reduction for fitting it?

Well, the bonuses I've suggested are simply that, suggestions.

The ultimate goal of these ships is to give them high survivability, with the longevity to stay out for extended periods of time.
Basically, a bother to the SoE ships, which focus mostly on exploration, with little to no ammo consumption.
These ships, however, have ammo consumption, but make up for it with low consumption due to amount of launchers.

I'd also like to see these ships with a balanced resist profile, so that they're not required to change resist profile to match rats, unless they just want to optimize.

We'll us the BS as a comparison, as I'm more familiar with BS class hulls.
As far as potential DPS, I'm looking at around the 900 range.
Not that strong for a BS, and it would have no drone capability to boot.
However, this ship having bastion and the survivability of cloak makes up for it. It's also made up for with high application, due to the bonuses focus on rapid heavies.
That said, with only 3 launchers, it would be quite susceptible to firewalling.

For a BS, this is rather low DPS.. Consider it to a Golem, with 1k or more with cruise missiles, and quite a bit more if it's torp fitted.
Again though, the survivability is where it shines.
Sith the armor rep cap bonus, they're able to active tank NPCs more efficiently, being able to have a cap stable fit (if you so choose), using less cap modules.

I'm really here to see if there's someone willing to consider this, and help to develop a good build for these ships, as I'm not too familiar with what most players would throw together when building hulls meant specifically for combat sites..

We already have the line of ships, it's called SOE ships. Cov Ops, Lasers & Drones for infinite ammo, large holds, and scanning bonuses. Yes they get Data/Relic bonuses already but are also good at combat sites.

This is simply demanding that you get SOE ships with a different weapon set.

I just want to see Equilibrium of Mankind raised up as a real faction.

Oh, and the ability for players to join NPC pirate corps as a pseudo FW type mechanic, complete with missions.

Welll the soe ships: a: expensive
B: fittings bad , the soe frigat is ok , the cruiser yu ither fitt it dps and tank on it and let another fleet member rep ya or ya screwd, nestor: ul need 3 of them , semi logi dps fit and spider tank them tho they have big cap issues plus t2 fit will not do unless you field 4 nestors and what ,thats already fielding over 4 billion isk price, you better off with cheaper t3s for now with black ops carrieng the stuff in and out.

First no bubble immunity there are too many ships already implemented. And i can´t see the "downside" of those ships, seems like an post i lost my ship so i want ccp to implement a better ship so i can´t loose my ship anymore.

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