Player Features and Ideas Discussion

always thought a counter to missiles was EMC

Missile flight time doesnt seem to have been added yet on Tranquility with both enhancers and computers or was it removed without announcement ?

Oh, good! It just keeps getting better, doesn't it? Missile flight time is indeed absent from the attributes pages of both modules. Because we needed that one too, right?

Precision script and range script are only that, script. For all we know, they decided to only add missile speed and slash off the flight time because :reasons:. If they upped the velocity bonus to counter the potential removal of flight time, i'd be happy. Adding application delay to missile is just be stupid anyway.

Oh dear God!
Could we please just once, when a bonus is offered, not have it taken back with both hands?
It was nice to see 5% on heavy missiles, but no, not to be, lets stack missile application Rigs to make the things even more bloody useless.
The trolling from CCP is getting way beyond a joke!

Maybe this is CCP's way of saying they can not make a missile TD. So they're purposely dumbing down the new mods and fixing the stacking penalty.

Then in a couple months, there will be no new announcements on missile TD, and it will be forgotten. Which tbh is fine. Damps/ECM are already effective counters. Yes there are FoF missiles, but they are hilariously ineffective unless there is only a single griffin/maulus on field hugging you, with no drones out. Dont even get me started on needing to reload to FoF on a rapid launcher.

Face it, missiles are not immune to the same fitting/stacking penalties as turrets and their rigs. And its easy insurance to prevent HML spam from making a comeback by having a 3 rigor drake with some MTE's in its lows and not having stacking penalties in the rigs.

to avoid such embarrassments, perhaps CCP should invest in setting up an additional server purely for testing things. maybe even open it up to the players. "two heads are better than one".

oh, wait....

Would be nice to get some dev post explaining missing flight time, new stacking penalties not being in patch notes and this whole clusterfuck in general. That you need one more slot to get the same application. Like missiles were OP... but I'm being naive here, we won't see dev post in this thread again

But they didn't review these rigs. In fact they didn't even MENTION THEM in the blog or this damned thread.

If one assumes they were balanced before (I don't think I've seen anyone say they were broken before), adding a penalty without a corresponding balance pass OR an explanation as to why the nerf happened, is flat out sloppy.

This set of changes has been handled particularly badly, the mods are a half arsed after thought - it's plain as day they've not read the feedback and they CANNOT have had good feedback from sisi because the mods never made it in properly before they were nerfed.

The communication and lack of transparency around these changes has been absolutely **** poor.

We have basically got global issues with missiles and they've been nerfed instead of helped.

Whilst, yes there are a couple of hulls which MIGHT benefit from these mods, they were the few that were already mostly viable.


You know, I don't even care that they nerfed everything, it's the lack of feedback as to WHY an already widely acknowledged under performing system as a whole, needed to be weakened further. It's the lack of feedback about why this mod and this mod only demands to be balanced beside turret percentages. It's the lack of feedback about why the fitting cost is so high when in 99% of cases, a PWNAGE is better, gang assist AND easier to fit.

The whole thing is pretty shameful.

Good. Less EHP = more stuff dies.