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Corp wallet journal entries, request records become permanemt.
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Sara Navorski
Tech III Bone Cancer
#1 - 2015-07-06 14:38:54 UTC
In trying to pull info for a payment made around six months ago for our teamspeak hosting, I found that any journal transactions older than a couple of months are deleted.

In a game where grudges are held for twelve years, you'd think corp leadership could check the books for relatively recent transactions.

CCPlease?

It's not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, right up until you really need to get some info and it's impossible. Then it's quite the deal indeed.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2015-07-06 14:42:43 UTC
I prefer it this way. API stuff.

Oh god.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-07-06 15:13:34 UTC
Sara Navorski wrote:
In trying to pull info for a payment made around six months ago for our teamspeak hosting, I found that any journal transactions older than a couple of months are deleted.

In a game where grudges are held for twelve years, you'd think corp leadership could check the books for relatively recent transactions.

CCPlease?

It's not a huge deal in the grand scheme of things, right up until you really need to get some info and it's impossible. Then it's quite the deal indeed.


How many transaction reccords would need to be kept to ensure more moths are kept?
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2015-07-06 15:39:01 UTC
typically hamsters live 2-3 years, and I'm pretty sure CCP rotates them out frequently to keep the PETA people happy. You wouldn't be advocating cruelty to middle aged hampsters by forcing them out of retirement and back on their wheels, would you?

All hamsters aside, I don't see why records can't be archived. We can have alliance level forensic accountacy creating more wars, +1, so yet again eve can mimic real life.

Use the force without consent and the court wont acquit you even if you are a card carryin', robe wearin' Jedi.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#5 - 2015-07-06 15:53:58 UTC
I don't even know what I did last summer. Still like the hamster-speech.

I'd love those transactions to be a thing of the present tho, and to fade into irrelevance ASAP. I also am not in a position where I'd need older records, so assuming this is superhandy for organizations of certain age/size,
+1 to it.
Mornak
Exotic Dancers Union
#6 - 2015-07-06 17:13:18 UTC
Most trading tools already keep your records permanently.

I use EVEMentat to keep track of my trading stuff. As long as you update it via API-Key from time to time it will keep all your records. Since i sometimes do long-term investments i need to keep my records for a rather long time.

of course this will not be of any use in your situations... since your records are already gone. but if you start using any 3rd-party tool like EVEMentat now, it wont happen again.


+1 if it doesn't require too much dev time... or slows down the hamsters too much.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-07-06 17:22:24 UTC
Mornak wrote:
Most trading tools already keep your records permanently.

I use EVEMentat to keep track of my trading stuff. As long as you update it via API-Key from time to time it will keep all your records. Since i sometimes do long-term investments i need to keep my records for a rather long time.

of course this will not be of any use in your situations... since your records are already gone. but if you start using any 3rd-party tool like EVEMentat now, it wont happen again.


+1 if it doesn't require too much dev time... or slows down the hamsters too much.


The hamster take the hit because the DB gets larger and larger if it does not get cleaned up. Some corps probably have thousands of wallet transactions every single day. That's a lot of records to keep if you want it even only up to a full year.
Zimmer Jones
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-07-06 20:51:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmer Jones
Perhaps an additional charge of 1 plex @ market value for server time as an opt in feature at alliance level for a kind of spreadsheet expansion. Kinda of like plexing an alt to train on your main account, because oddly enough hamsters cost about $9-20 US mail order. So CCP buys a premium hamster with the first 2 plex, and the rest is profit for a year, before retirement to the habitrail.

Use the force without consent and the court wont acquit you even if you are a card carryin', robe wearin' Jedi.
Zan Shiro
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-07-06 22:56:52 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
The hamster take the hit because the DB gets larger and larger if it does not get cleaned up. Some corps probably have thousands of wallet transactions every single day. That's a lot of records to keep if you want it even only up to a full year.



This basically. OP is thinking its their data. Most users do. Admins, like me, are thinking its their data plus the 1000's like them.

Plus the added factor of backup and recovery. LTO tapes aren't cheap. Or other more disk based systems if that is what CCP uses.

And more live data on the server is more data to backup. Why I happen to like when we decommission old servers or go on data purges from time to time. Backup jobs run faster to clear up its scheduling.

Enter 3rd party like mentioned. They pull data and parse it to avoid this mess. Do this with data analysis practice for classes I do. In R I can pull what can be 100mb+ data files, subset the data for what I need and I get a nice file in the kb size range. I then chuck the 100mb data file and keep and work off the subsetted file.