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CCP! Please clarify the future plans for WiS!

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#1881 - 2011-12-30 17:59:54 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
My point, dear lady, is that I am clearly a happy person with a valid point of view while you are clearly a super sensitive brat who's only recourse is to throw about baseless personal insults like a child who didn't get their sweet roll.


Quoted for hilarity.

Wanting to play with internet spaceship barbie isn't a valid point of view. Sounds more like deep personal issues to me.

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Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1882 - 2011-12-30 18:00:05 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

While you probably meant that as a negative point, in fact that would be outstanding to many. Smile


Actually, I was picturing your scenario when I remember watching a History Channel special about an opposition group that used a bomb in a failed attempt to destroy a certain German serial killer during World War 2 when he and his generals were gathered to discuss war strategies. From that point, I just molded the thought into an Eve related scenario with a touch of bounty thrown in for good measure.

Plus while I would not mind WIS to be added to game, it should not be detached from the core principle of Eve being a PVP game - no "safe" zones.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#1883 - 2011-12-30 18:05:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Guttripper wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:

While you probably meant that as a negative point, in fact that would be outstanding to many. Smile


Actually, I was picturing your scenario when I remember watching a History Channel special about an opposition group that used a bomb in a failed attempt to destroy a certain German serial killer during World War 2 when he and his generals were gathered to discuss war strategies. From that point, I just molded the thought into an Eve related scenario with a touch of bounty thrown in for good measure.

Plus while I would not mind WIS to be added to game, it should not be detached from the core principle of Eve being a PVP game - no "safe" zones.


I'm right there with you, but since stations have always been regarded as the only truly safe haven's (at least as far as ship loss is concerned) in EVE, I"m afraid you'd have a riot on your hands if people no longer felt "safe" when docked.

Edit: Although it "would" be interesting if there were safe zones on the stations, say in public area's, where bloodshed is strictly not allowed upon pain of death. However when you were in "private" area's, such as your own corporate offices, meeting rooms, establishments you enjoyed no such protection.

"Meet me in a public place" would be a sentiment that would ring true. But anything similar would be a looooong time in coming.

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Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#1884 - 2011-12-30 18:12:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Cailais
stupid forum.
Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#1885 - 2011-12-30 18:12:35 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
Cailais wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:

i know i made the same comparison as well, but only in the most general sense, your desire for eve to have a literal representation of NORAD or CENTCOM is just misguided.


Id disagree with this view. There's an argument that fleet 'blobs' may occur as having an FC 'ead other players by the nose' is the only viable method of manoeuvring large fleets at the moment.

If a higher 'strategic' perspective was available for commanders (i.e they could view the rough dispositions and status of multiple fleets over a broad area) then that approach would be used more. I certainly know players who have resorted to using print outs of DOTLAN maps and pins to try and achieve this (with moderate success).

If you tie in the value of having a higher strategic perspective with the roll out of DUST514 additional tools for 'war planning and execution' would be a good thing - and WiS strikes me as a perfectly valid means of displaying and accessing that information.

Why use WiS? It would at least provide a geography for players to navigate by - a virtual 3D UI if you like. It could be done with additional pop up windows but that's likely to become pretty chaotic and not all that immersive.

C.


how the hell is wis going to help with that? all we need is a better F10


What I'm thinking of goes beyond a simple F10 upgrade. I have in mind something closer to a full intel and battle planning suite - and when I refer to planning I mean something that allows players to generate long term plans.

For example consider a group of Alliance directors who want to plan out a forth coming campaign - pins in maps stuff - with current situation overlays representing own forces dispositions, known and suspected enemy forces, key strategic points (and so on and so forth). And all of this needs to be created collectively and then available to be 'displayed' in some fashion to various levels below those directors.

I personally think this would be useful to a large number of players, corporations and alliances.

WiS as an area in which to deliver that sort of content makes sense on a number of levels, delivering an actual purpose to WiS environments and integrating that with EVEs FiS play.

In short WiS exists - why not make genuine use of it?

C.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#1886 - 2011-12-30 18:45:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Cailais wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:
Cailais wrote:
Taiwanistan wrote:

i know i made the same comparison as well, but only in the most general sense, your desire for eve to have a literal representation of NORAD or CENTCOM is just misguided.


Id disagree with this view. There's an argument that fleet 'blobs' may occur as having an FC 'ead other players by the nose' is the only viable method of manoeuvring large fleets at the moment.

If a higher 'strategic' perspective was available for commanders (i.e they could view the rough dispositions and status of multiple fleets over a broad area) then that approach would be used more. I certainly know players who have resorted to using print outs of DOTLAN maps and pins to try and achieve this (with moderate success).

If you tie in the value of having a higher strategic perspective with the roll out of DUST514 additional tools for 'war planning and execution' would be a good thing - and WiS strikes me as a perfectly valid means of displaying and accessing that information.

Why use WiS? It would at least provide a geography for players to navigate by - a virtual 3D UI if you like. It could be done with additional pop up windows but that's likely to become pretty chaotic and not all that immersive.

C.


how the hell is wis going to help with that? all we need is a better F10


What I'm thinking of goes beyond a simple F10 upgrade. I have in mind something closer to a full intel and battle planning suite - and when I refer to planning I mean something that allows players to generate long term plans.

For example consider a group of Alliance directors who want to plan out a forth coming campaign - pins in maps stuff - with current situation overlays representing own forces dispositions, known and suspected enemy forces, key strategic points (and so on and so forth). And all of this needs to be created collectively and then available to be 'displayed' in some fashion to various levels below those directors.

I personally think this would be useful to a large number of players, corporations and alliances.

WiS as an area in which to deliver that sort of content makes sense on a number of levels, delivering an actual purpose to WiS environments and integrating that with EVEs FiS play.

In short WiS exists - why not make genuine use of it?

C.



Nice.

While I was thinking of a more tactical C&C area, you were thinking of it as more of a strategic planning center... with tools appropriate for the task being available.

Of course, the same space and shared map capabilities could be used for either purpose... so I suppose it would just be best to call it what everyone will end up calling it anyway... the War Room.

Excellent post!

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Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#1887 - 2011-12-30 19:09:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kuronaga
Alpheias wrote:
Kuronaga wrote:
My point, dear lady, is that I am clearly a happy person with a valid point of view while you are clearly a super sensitive brat who's only recourse is to throw about baseless personal insults like a child who didn't get their sweet roll.


Quoted for hilarity.

Wanting to play with internet spaceship barbie isn't a valid point of view. Sounds more like deep personal issues to me.



I don't recall ever supporting space barbies. That sounds like a misconception derived from a person who, ironically enough, has a space barbie for a character.

What I supported was WiS content, which includes bars, games with betting, missions, killing people, smuggling, etc. Not anywhere in that do I have space barbie a part of the equation. That's something ignorant fellows such as yourself cooked up because you need something to argue about and hate on. And also because you have a small penis and are trying to compensate with your spaceship.

But please, continue posting. It's fun hearing you argue a point of view that doesn't exist, with rebuttals that have nothing to do with the game. If I had to score your argument I'd say you're at least three points ahead of the fatty.
Vallek Arkonnis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1888 - 2011-12-30 19:39:14 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
I like many others don't want FiS to be sidelined to the point of being broken. That being said, I want WiS to be fleshed out. You will always have very vocal WiS haters that are afraid of change that will see ANY WOD and DUST development as time that could have been spent on EVE.




fixed that for you


And it's wrong for a game developer to develop more than one game because... ? Roll

Just because you're married to one video game doesn't mean game developers should be. Did Incarna not deliver to the hype? Obviously. Were there bugs and balance issues with eve in general that should have been fixed a long time ago? Of course. But let's get one thing straight; there will always be bugs and always be people who ***** about any little thing. Dedicating time and resources to create new products is not a bad thing and it's naive bratiness to think otherwise.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#1889 - 2011-12-30 20:36:56 UTC
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
I like many others don't want FiS to be sidelined to the point of being broken. That being said, I want WiS to be fleshed out. You will always have very vocal WiS haters that are afraid of change that will see ANY WOD and DUST development as time that could have been spent on EVE.




fixed that for you


And it's wrong for a game developer to develop more than one game because... ? Roll

Just because you're married to one video game doesn't mean game developers should be. Did Incarna not deliver to the hype? Obviously. Were there bugs and balance issues with eve in general that should have been fixed a long time ago? Of course. But let's get one thing straight; there will always be bugs and always be people who ***** about any little thing. Dedicating time and resources to create new products is not a bad thing and it's naive bratiness to think otherwise.



Where did i ever mention that i don,t want them make more Games

All this hate for WIS comes from a period where EVE was neglected in favor for other games
add the fail to deliver some of the promised big features and of course the rage about RMT related NEX

So i changed the quote according to that nothing more ,nothing less


And about the NEX,
So NEX will not have P2W items in it,according to CCP
DUST surely will have P2W items
DUST will be linked to EVE in the future ,so EVE will be P2W indirectly




R.S.I2014
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1890 - 2011-12-30 21:02:58 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Vallek Arkonnis wrote:
I like many others don't want FiS to be sidelined to the point of being broken. That being said, I want WiS to be fleshed out. You will always have very vocal WiS haters that are afraid of change that will see ANY WOD and DUST development as time that could have been spent on EVE.




fixed that for you


And it's wrong for a game developer to develop more than one game because... ? Roll

Just because you're married to one video game doesn't mean game developers should be. Did Incarna not deliver to the hype? Obviously. Were there bugs and balance issues with eve in general that should have been fixed a long time ago? Of course. But let's get one thing straight; there will always be bugs and always be people who ***** about any little thing. Dedicating time and resources to create new products is not a bad thing and it's naive bratiness to think otherwise.



Where did i ever mention that i don,t want them make more Games

All this hate for WIS comes from a period where EVE was neglected in favor for other games
add the fail to deliver some of the promised big features and of course the rage about RMT related NEX

So i changed the quote according to that nothing more ,nothing less


And about the NEX,
So NEX will not have P2W items in it,according to CCP
DUST surely will have P2W items
DUST will be linked to EVE in the future ,so EVE will be P2W indirectly





How is DUST going to be P2W? If that is the case then EvE is already P2W. DUST is going to use ISK and PLEX in the same way that EvE does. How is this different at all? They have stated this on numerous occasions and have also stated that the ISK used in EvE can be transferred to a character in DUST.

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Jhagiti Tyran
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1891 - 2011-12-31 03:27:59 UTC
No matter what infeasible things you all keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.

WIS is shitcanned.

Deal with it.

P.S.
lol space barbie

P.P.S.
lol roleplayers
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#1892 - 2011-12-31 04:03:15 UTC
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
No matter what infeasible things you all keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.

WIS is shitcanned.

Deal with it.

P.S.
lol space barbie

P.P.S.
lol roleplayers


No matter what infeasible things you keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.

FiS is stagnating.

Deal with it.

P.S.
lol spaceships

P.P.S.
lol e-thugs
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#1893 - 2011-12-31 04:11:06 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
No matter what infeasible things you all keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.

WIS is shitcanned.

Deal with it.

P.S.
lol space barbie

P.P.S.
lol roleplayers


No matter what infeasible things you keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.

FiS is stagnating.

Deal with it.

P.S.
lol spaceships

P.P.S.
lol e-thugs


I suggest you read the patch notes for Crucible. What did you get for WiS?

Take your time. I can wait.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#1894 - 2011-12-31 04:51:56 UTC
Quote:
I suggest you read the patch notes for Crucible. What did you get for WiS?

Take your time. I can wait.


3 new Captains Quarters actually. Smile

I know, I know, they were pretty much done already... but at least they got finished.

Oh, some Incarna performance and lighting fixes, more Avatar items loaded into the data base (but not yet available), hmmm I think that's about it this time around.

Pretty much what was expected.

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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1895 - 2011-12-31 04:54:33 UTC
Kuronaga wrote:
Jhagiti Tyran wrote:
No matter what infeasible things you all keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.

WIS is shitcanned.

Deal with it.

P.S.
lol space barbie

P.P.S.
lol roleplayers


No matter what infeasible things you keep dreaming up that CCP will never, ever be willing or able to introduce you all need to remember.


Deal with it.

P.S.
lol space role players

P.P.S.
lol role player


fixed.. since everyone is roleplayer. Big smile If not i am seriously concerned about human-kind.
EVE works, have worked, and spoiled brats keep talking about golden ammo because they read some document which is totally unrelated to anything and created some awesome "tinfoil hattery" and rage-quitted. Then they come back for no reason whatsoever, since nothing really changed their game-play. They just have enough time to chill out, but it seems some still hold an grudge Big smile

Anyway for Crucible they got three times more then in INCARNA.. still no WiS tho.
Taiwanistan
#1896 - 2011-12-31 05:06:30 UTC
3 new cqs, the bone ccp threw at you beggers, and the last of it oh and maybe some new clothes that you can buy if you're dumb

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1897 - 2011-12-31 05:08:00 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
3 new cqs, the bone ccp threw at you beggers, and the last of it oh and maybe some new clothes that you can buy if you're dumb


We all are, otherwise we would be dead. Go figure.. There is some wisdom in that sentence.
Disdaine
#1898 - 2011-12-31 05:17:37 UTC
Taiwanistan wrote:
3 new cqs, the bone ccp threw at you beggers, and the last of it oh and maybe some new clothes that you can buy if you're dumb


If we were dumb we wouldn't know how to spell beggar.
Taiwanistan
#1899 - 2011-12-31 05:23:04 UTC
oh is that a monocle, what was i talking about again?

TA on wis: "when we have a feature that is its own functional ecosystem of gameplay then hooks into the greater ecosystem of EVE as a whole, and it provides good replayability."
Bail Boo
#1900 - 2011-12-31 05:27:50 UTC
Just let us see each others clothes, at least! it's a multiplayer game Blink

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