Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I can't wait for the inevitable drone|projectile|laser|hybrid whine threads once these are released...

It seems only people who use missiles understand the significance of delayed dps. Especially for fleet's and gangs at long ranges where you can have 2 flights of missiles in the air at any given time, huge amounts of dps are wasted on targets that have already been destroyed: could be half of your dps could be even more if you're not making any attempt manage it or count volley's. Imagine a blob of Drakes firing at a primary at long distance, if only half of the alpha is needed to destroy that target then the rest is wasted, if you don't count your volley's then you could end up with some of your fleet sending a second volley etc, that's why they don't work well with incursions. Also instant dps with insta lock means turrets can blap without needing to point this makes them a better choice for gate camping. Missiles can't be balanced directly against instant dps turrets or even drones, they don't scale well even without firewalling, and the dps/range difference is cancelled out by poor damage application against small moving targets.

I like the changes, I expected them to change the base stats on missiles but this is better because it gives more fitting options and more room for specialized fits while forcing trade-offs.

Which is why in my heart of hearts, I hope that CCP has decided that the Mordu 200% missile velocity, 50% flight time experiment is a success[1], and the concept is ready to be rolled out to other missile ships applied to the baseline stats for all missiles.

edit: should apply to missile base numbers

[1] i.e. the server doesn't explode and/or the missiles don't travel backwards in time and hit before they launch.

Hegelian dialectic strikes again with you lot. You create the problem(supposed buff to missle application) People then bleet, it's not fair.......Then you come in with the nerfs waiting in the wings in the form of some ewar disruption mods that adversely effect missles. Seriously, why don't you openly display your lodge number and be done with it :)

Trajectory analysis?! What? Surely a copypasta error cloning the mods?

Well, missiles are just slow moving guided bullets...

Yeah, I could see a more focused MGC as being a low slot item instead of a mid slot item, i.e. trading rof/damage mode for an application mod. The only trouble would be balancing it with ships like the Typhoon with its plethora of lows.

Yeah, they are broken. Don't see much demand for them on the markets do you. Also, they require a launcher slot. Many ships in this game with no launcher slots. Forget that they even exist, they are complete trash. Even FoF missiles work better than defender missiles and that's saying a lot.


You seem to have not been reading the thread, and your little over one year in this game lack of experience is showing.

Anyway, if you have some philosophical objection to tracking disruption on a non tracking weapon system, where then is you consternation at tracking enhancement on those same weapon systems.

And no, the beloved turret boat does not win on DPS alone. Often the missile boat is shield and sometimes will fit a TD or two [dual TD Hookbill] to partially or completely screw over the turret dps.

As for fleet battles and ewar, if CCP is going to be taking away the efficacy of firewalling it damn well better have something better to take its place. TD boats should be getting more use in this game against both turret and missile fleet comps. However, atm everything is ecm and damp boats for fleets.

Lastly, damps are just as effective against turret boats as missile boats because, tada, lock range and/or lock time has nothing to do with whether you are using turrets or missiles.

I shall read between objections based on "my experience" -- although tr%#@%% nope- not going there. Moving on.

I'll even humour you and grant you have half a point there. But still... NOT IN THE TRACKING DISRUPTOR! Make it a separate module, but don't extend the usefulness of the tracking disruptor to counter "all kinds of incoming DPS". Such a "can't hit me" mod already exists and it's called ECM.

It was mostly the extention of the TD that worried me. I do not object to a different module -- more tough choices, more variety is always better. That said, Yes I love my Hookbill and yes I put TDs (and other fun stuff) in there as well; but when people get all up close and personal I DO feel severely out-DPSsed. You don't? How jolly for you. I was under the impression short-range weapon systems did a lot more damage than long range weaponry (countered by damps); and when one looks closely at short range weapon systems, Rockets and HAMs deal sub-par damage.

But ... sub-par damage *that hits*. Which is good. Now if everybody starts fitting TDs because a couple of scripts make them roflstomp against anyone, then I must object.

Of course. This is probably the only, but unstated, reason TDs aren't being introduced at the same time. The devs are very aware of not creating a new multispec as of old. However, for some reason they appear to have an aversion to using the same remedy to prevent the TD becoming the new old multispec. That is to nerf the base effect on the TD module itself, and give a counterbalancing buff to the TD boat TD bonuses.

What is the problem with it Rise and Fozzie? Just do the ecm boat thing with all the other ewar? It worked for ECM. It can work for damps, painters, and TDs. Painter and TD boats are not seen much. Any tom **** or harry can fit damps, TDs, or painters in a spare mid. So presently there is no or little desirability to fly these ships. But lending them their ewar roles back, by giving them the ecm boat treatment, would make the game more diverse actually.