Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Dunno if you mentioned it, but it's been discussed a few times earlier in the thread :)

This is like the don't be "average" patch.

People will have to not be 'rubbish" at the basics of their role.

As for Alliance level bookmarks, why do you need that?

Corp Manag 20 members per level, @ V = 100
Mega Corpo 100 members per level, @ V =500
Empire Control 400 members per level, @ V =2000
Sovereignty 2000 members per level, @ V =10000

a Corp can already serve 12,600 people.

How's about you just make a corp of 12,601 first.

Why is that option chosen over increasing combat probes scan cycle combined with little change of probes mechanic, e.g. getting coordinates of where ship was exactly at time of clicking "Scan" button and not when scan ended?
If you ever considered this of course.

Cant you make probes invisible in wormholes in that case. Then we atleast have a chance to get our so to speak cloacky scout in positiion

I think he has been playing star citizen and didn't realize it wasn't eve or something. Some of the other suggestion on increasing maximum tedium are far worse than this change.

Making people click an extra time is *not* increasing fleet participation.

For example, a double sided bomb run 2 squads each side. Need two ppl to get into position in a good perch each side. Fleet members warps to their respective perch. Proceed as normal. That is not more participation. How the hell is "warp to fleet member" some kind of challenge.

May as well add a random popup mini game every 20 secs.

What i am now worried about is dumb things he said in the sound cast. Like removing align, keep at range, orbit etc. So what eve is going to be a twitch pilot simulator with 1 second server tics? CCP Larrikin is out of touch.

OMG SOMETHING IS CHANGING AND WE HAVE TO ADAPT AND OVERCOME

Whatever will we do, how will we go on playing a game that has been evolving since it was released and has spawned it's own community of space nerds who are so against change when it's announced, then in some miraculous way either find a way to exploit the hell out of it or just work around it. Hmmmmm...... I wonder what's next

"stop adding new and interesting dynamics CCP all we want is to not have to use our brains anymore make it so FC's can broadcast target and it cause all the fleet to lock and presses f1 for them"

Get over it and learn to play with the new dynamic.

Solution to all complaints use a cloaky prober ie the Cov Ops Frigs that have basically been used as a throw away ship in almost everything that they do, its cheap, easy to fit, and not too skill intensive. Also be good at it it shouldn't take entirely too long to scan something down if you are decent enough at it.

Oh and what a good way for a newbie to learn to be part of a fleet than to be a warp in dingle berry or better yet if you have a bookmark and you want someone to warp to it IE Probing results, you all do remember you can trade and loot bookmarks right

I mean seriously
-Scan something down - 1-2 min if skills and technique are good
-Save location- 1 sec
-Open people & location submenu -1sec
-Find your location you wish to share -1sec
-Shift click and drag into your cargo -1sec
-Jettison can -1sec
-Tell fleet member designated as warp in to loot can -1 sec (more if you didn't designate warp in or they are not paying attention)
-Tell warp in to to warp selves to BM -based on warp time and system size 10-30+ sec (for largest system in BS fleet comp takes 95 sec)
-Fleet warp to member -based on warp time and system size 10-30+ sec (for largest system in BS fleet comp takes 95 sec)

total time 3 min 6 sec
total time that is added to the regular process maybe 35+ sec and at most 100 sec

35+ whole seconds what ever are we going to do (and mind you 30 sec warp for BS is approx 90 AU give or take a few seconds for acceleration and deceleration)

It even takes talented FC's around this time to get set up in a system anyways or to get a fleet's head out of their asses when they do find something with their prober. This will simply make people pay closer attention to what the FC's say and not be bad.

You all are so terrified of change you didn't even bother to look into how this will really effect anything.

Yes this puts more pressure on the FC to be better at his job and makes them rely on other people.

WH'ers and Miners you can apply the same thing and do the math yourself.

Also Boo Hoo you can't land all the bombers on a perch cloaked together but that's just it you are cloaked and you can get a warp in off of whomever you are bombing and then warp back out just as easily you just have to not be bad.

If you fly a specialized type of ship and you don't know how to use it than learn and quit relying on everyone else to do everything for you.

If you are a good bomber, you have any spacial reasoning skills, and a basic understanding of trajectory and three dimensional triganometry; you can hit moving targets and don't have to rely on the FC to do everything for you. Yes it sucks having to have responsibility in a fleet cause all you F1 monkeys and KM whores only care about padding your killboards which doesn't show anything about your actual skill in EVE as a PVP'er. When someone else has to literally tell you to remember to cycle your guns and has to remind people what their job in the fleet is there is something fundamentally wrong with you claiming to be good at PvP. The person who is good at PvP is the FC and you are just riding his coat tails.

That was my rant some of you will TL:DR it some will read it and agree, some will disagree. I don't care either way just stop bitching so, dam much and learn to adapt to things.

Behold! I found the REAL reason and driving force behind this change. This quote comes from another thread so I'll link it. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5124164#post5124164



So for the record, this change was brought to you by a concerted effort to nerf mining drones.

I see a lot of complaints in this discussion that seem to center on the idea that Eve is a better game when it is difficult.

It's rather strange that many of the people with this opinion write as if clarity is a secondary concern, while how angry they are at those that disagree with them is more important. You have to ask yourself... if what sets Eve apart in a demographic fashion is the age of the players, and their intelligence, how do you expect to convince people in the discussion that yours is the right idea, when your communication is so unrefined?

Anyone can change my mind with a well reasoned argument, yet it is very difficult to interpret an argument as well reasoned when the supporting facts are either attacks, or clearly haven't been given a second look by the writer. Perhaps the ability to understand a perspective other than your own would aid you in making these arguments.

Dafuq?!
If that's how long it takes you to scan someone down you should be very VERY quiet regarding anything that involves probing.

It is clear that you never scanned a thing in your eve life from your post :
-Scan something down, 1-2 minutes if you are good(anyone with 3 scanning skills to 5), else target is gone
-save location, 2 seconds(need to select the correct map for corp bm's first)
-wait 5 minutes for corp mate to get bm
-Open people & location submenu -1sec
-Find your location you wish to share -1sec
-drag location to personal bm's, 3 seconds(we have a lot of scrolling to do, and so will you after the changes)
-Shift click and drag into your cargo -3 sec multiply by number of corps in your alliance (lets say 3)
-Jettison can with all bm's -1sec
-distribute bm's to corps (10-60 seconds depending on how they land on grid)
-wait 5 minutes to have bm's propagate to all corps in alliance
-start moving fleet to target lets say the average of wh space is 3 down the chain so lets take you 95s *3

So that is about 15 minutes and 52 seconds just to get a fleet into position.
And seige/triage/bastion only last 5 minutes.
Besides most pve sites can be done in 15 minutes before you can get a fleet down the chain to get the carebears.
So basicly pvp is done in wh's. You might capture a clueless one, but then again nullbears don't go into wh's otfen.

This change will only slow down bomberfleets and will only fix on grid combat probing while breaking the rest of eve.

It seems like everyone of us needs to adapt except null sec, they just get the rules changed.

O and in kspace, one dude will make pearches all around the space they are fighting/living in share it with alliance and voila no downsides for k-space.
That is something we in wh's can't do since it is RANDOM.