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I think the New lead game designer last year, and the new lead art director, a few days ago, explains this.
New leads, want to put their mark on the game.
Didnt learn from Incarna because it was not THEIR asses on the line that time.

Now the new people think.. "hmm, where should I make my mark... hey, some UI elements haven't been changed much in the last ten years, Lets plant that down as my personal flag"

That in my opnion also explains CCP's stubbornness with this, and their attitute to the feedback.
It's not about improvements, it's just about pride..

I agree with this...

Change for the sake of change, improvement failure on so many levels.. and terrible implementation and a quite disrespectful blog to boot....

Good thing I don't PvP in spaceships atm, otherwise there would be less reason to login anymore.



This original concept would've worked, provided they would also be differentiated by size like the old ones. Right now, having all of the spaceship icons the same size with them being pretty much just triangles with chevrons is bad.

Very, very bad.

Success combo is Size+Shape+Colour - Shape & size being prime. Out of the current set, I think only the shuttles & rookie ships work.



Indeed, any working solution must be contrasting.

Slanted cross for drones, something blocky, like a square for structures, circles for celestials and something like this for spaceships - http://i.imgur.com/RYBmrkG.png

Even before chevrons or dashes, all the information is contained within the above example for ships, it even separates them by weapon systems: triangle is Small Turrets/Rockets/LMLs, down triangle - Medium Turrets/HMLs/RLMLs, rhombus - Large Turrets/Torps/Cruise/RHMLs and of course Heavy neuts.

For NPC ships, no colour is needed - http://i.imgur.com/0XNw6FC.png



It's more like a heptagon wheel bicycle than the lightbulb - candle analogy.



What's so hilarious about breaking the most-used and actually the single-most important thing in the spaceship game machanics toolkit?

I do not see the funny.

They are not new, they are not old, they are just stuck in limbo.

And they'll keep siphoning overall player activity lower because of that.

Indeed so.

Only a contrasting system such as this could function so well for 12 years straight - a system with the icons present on our very keyboards no less!

P.S. Sony controllers are also more popular than its competition due to the fact that they took up all the best & irreducible prime symbols/geometric shapes: O, [ ], X & /\.

Maybe if folks didn't create such drama, and everyone posted without all the emo venom, it wouldn't escalate into people quitting or cutting themselves...
The Icons are good, they are an improvement, for all the reasons in the dev blog. If your hardware is barfing when it has to render it, CCP said they are working on it and don't panic. It's counter productive to keep things static for years and years, some of us like being surprised by new things. Ships, modules, game mechanics, streamlining, etc...

Frankly, if you have gotten so lazy playing EvE, that you can't handle any new learning curve at all...aren't you bored anyways?
So hoping you cry yourself to sleep and you wake up with a new perspective. You can't keep self-destructing when new things happen in the game, the icons are great. Are you going to have a spaz over the new Domi look too? I am sorry if you have trouble understanding EvE's new Icons. Isn't there an old New Eden saying about WoW being a sleuce for those who couldn't hack EvE?...



EDIT: One more thing, if this is what CCP bases their descision making process on...all this nonsense input, then I have some advice for them. CCP you've been too accomodating to your 'fan base'. These guys don't appreciate the amount of back and forth they get compared to other games...They think they own it.
Maybe you've been too democratic CCP, and need to start creating a work of art that people will respect and admire from your position of authority and oversight. We trust your judgement. Instead of being pulled in a million directions by obvious trolls, with a misplaced sense of self-importance. Feed back should be for bugs and miner qwerks, not fundamentals or complete roll-backs. Don't let 'em do it to you...They just get off on getting their own way when they yell at you...like little baby la-la's. lol...

Had to be said...

Bzzz...traffic news: attention there is a trollish ghost driver on the road to doomheim!

a astonished co-driver (that looks like Rio Bravo) : wait what....one? there are hundreds of them.

Lol, yeah, I know the graphics rendering hasn't been the same for everyone. The 90% resize stuff and mushy icons, I hear the concerns from that end...With the screen crowded with bracket icons, remember what the blog said. You can customize much of that away in the custom overview menu, set brackets and things...Might take a few minutes of time though.

The 'I am confused' thing is pathetically weird. Or the 'I like old EvE better'. The game will advance with time...
Same with the counting the numbers on who logs in and doesn't. Kind of what I was reffering to in my last post about taking the game hostage. Hoping that CCP loses money, and if you can accelerate that by angry posting you will. You don't like the Icons, leave...don't just tell us your leaving then post for a month, about how your leaving/left. Other games don't give you half the input that this game does. In many ways I see the 'fans' ruining it, not letting CCP do their job....what if the icons are to compliment other releases later? You wouldn't know...

Most of the posts on this thread that quote me are really just to trash me, and don't address the valid points I post about.

The developers of Star Wars Galaxies didn't care of feedback and did everything they wanted but not what the players wanted, and released dreadful patchs like NGE and others ones. Officially, it was to stop the going down of the subscribers number, but it just made it even worse than before. The CEO of Sony Entertainment made excuses and admitted that they should have listened to the players, but it was after the game was closed...

Let's CCP do that too, maybe this way they will learn to crush their pride, but it will be probably too late. Whatever what you say, the fact is the game has less logged players than before, and it is not a good sign, even for you.


It is just that you can't realize your points are invalid, because of your lack of PVP experience (according to killboards).

You can't see the bad consequences of new icons for exemple in a fleet fight where you can find hundred of friends/foes that you have to analyze with 25 different icons, and a potential confusion with structures ones if they are activated in visual too. And I only speak about the important ones (so 25 for my vision of the game), because there are now exactly 100 differents icons according to the sheet I use for reference.

Before the new icons, there was 6 or 7 icons who mattered (squared one, wreck, drone, containers), so I could analyze the situation of a fight within few seconds just by the visual. They weren't fancy, but they was efficient.

So yes, it is an overflow of information in real battle situation, something that you can't understand. In fact, it would be easily compensated by the overview and even in visual if there was the possibility to use at least 10 differents tabs in overview, I had some ideas of workaround for that.

Oh well, I shouldn't complain after all. In the initial version, there was supposed to have 27 DRONE icons for exemple, not 7... But that just prove that CCP don't play at EVE and so don't "get" it. EVE is supposed to be a game, not a job, but CCP want to make it like one.

Still, I don't really know if the icongate will make some players leave. At minimum, it will make some players renounce to parts of the gameplay (I will certainly do less PVP than before. As it didn't already go down with the jump gate animation... I left few months because of that, why not reiterate...). But leavers will do probably because of a burnout caused by multiple recent bad moves from CCP. Maybe it don't affect you for the moment, but it will in the long term (market with less stuff, less contact with players, etc.).

What is SISI? I playing from 8 years and never heard about that SISI