EVE General Discussion

Uhm...no, you do not get to keep it. It's probably confusion on someone's part, or an oversight.
CCP will straighten it out. Don't become attached to it. There's a forum section for this, and the
instructions tell you what to do in such a case as this.

http://tiger.towson.edu/~ahaske2/cute-cat%5B1%5D.jpg :)

Theres a forum trace of the sale + exchange of mails + screenshots + wallet journals

The dollar / euros exchange you suggested does not make sense. Especially if one party is crying about the isk and Im snickering about the potential Lotto win I might experience :) Plus char went from his account to my account.

The real money thing makes sense if you are buying an account via some chinese / lebanese website that also sells, besides EVE stuff, kitchen appliances and garden decorations.

Again, no scam took place, theres convo logs which can be read by CCP. Player sent me his char, after a purchase with isk. He sent me the char with the isk which was used for the purchase and the isk which was already in his wallet.

Now according EULA, theres a slight misinterpretation of the following: "........isk received....."

I understand I should give back the isk which was used for the purchase the char. Whats unclear to me is the money which was already in the wallet of the char BEFORE the trade even commenced. I am under the impression this is mine to keep as its clearly an item which comes along with the character. Same as the pieces of tritanium, shuttles and ibises which you get when you buy a character. Implants as well. You can disclose the fact of having implants and bigger ships, no probs there. But the peanuts never get mentioned as they are considered invaluable by the seller and are handed down to the new owner without any complaints.

I dont see why this should be different with the isk, which never played any part in the negotiations of sale (neither did the 1 x tritanium with ibis).

Character can complain, yes, but should he get it back?

1. He was careless and lazy with isk excess
2. He obviously did not want it as he should have cleaned out his char before even starting the sale.
3. He had a 10 hour transfer delay time to complain

I have had this happen many times where I forgot to move the isk. Assets they do not care about as you should have prepped the toon to sell but they will undo the transaction if you dot send him the isk. It is art of the sale people make oopsies. For the record they will send him all of the isk on the account. So you might want to just send it to him.

PS. I have bought an 8 mil sp toon with 74 mil Lp on it and I have bought a hauler that was used to pull down a large reaction chain they forgot about, 74 large towers and fittings all already in highsec. It is nice when it happens but the isk CCP doesent play about. So might as well do it or he is gonna get the hole thing reversed and tell you do bite a fat one for being a Dbag and sell it to someone else.

I don't think you'll get a dev reply, they just don't handle such issues in the forums.

I think the only way you'll get an official reply is if you petition the issue.

Or, you can just go about your business and see what happens, see if the other guy makes a petition. I think he will, because, well what would you do if you'd just lost a character AND 45B, because of your own mistake or you were drunk or whatever? The "no scam" rules allow him a petition to get his stuff back.

So, yes you're right and you even have the screenshots and proof, and despite all that, odds are that you won't get to keep the character and/or all that ISK.

Actually If the guy doesn't say anything then yes you will get to keep it. I'm sure it will make many jealous though.

You buy a car and someone leaves the money in the glovebox, do you return it or keep it?

You sir have a moral dilemma, not a legal one.

trying to cover arse on a RMT ?

"Whenever a character is transferred before the seller has moved the ISK received from the sale to another one of their characters, the Customer Support team will return that ISK to the rightful owner. The buyer cannot expect to receive both the character and the ISK that they paid to purchase it. "

Source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6369&find=unread&_ga=1.3430067.2093359829.1385489319

^ This is the correct answer. You can bypass all of this by simply contacting the person, telling them you are returning their ISK and doing so, then posting on the forum sale thread to confirm. If you wait for them to petition and a GM reverses it they may do so after you've transferred the ISK to another account which will set your wallet into negative.