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Carnyx release - General feedback

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SamuraiJack
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1861 - 2015-06-19 16:44:07 UTC
Its ok. When CCP deliver Fozzie Sov with the same quality and effort... he wont have any sov.

Cos if they cant even deliver and get the UI workable... how are we to trust them to fix the broken POS and Sov mechanics?

And small subnote... The 90% scaling usage came from CCP changing the font ages back and not allowing us to use a different size or edit it. So they added in scaling to "address" that problem.

And now... here we are. With a broken UI engine that wont scale or do AA.

Doesnt inspire confidence.

SJ's Chronicles - http://www.fanfiction.net/u/2103579/CLS-SamuraiJack

Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#1862 - 2015-06-19 16:48:41 UTC
Orm Magnustat wrote:
Circumstantial Evidence wrote:
.................... Hundreds of players motivated enough to shoot the Jita monument 23/7 was quite extraordinary. The guys selling ammo probably thought it was great ;) But, it was everything combined: forum rage, in-game rage, and mass unsubs.

This game change is very different; it doesn't offend people as much as the planned "micro" transactions: fear (unfounded) about "gold ammo" and comparisons to luxury branded items in the real world costing hundreds and thousands, and why shouldn't EVE have items like that, so players could flaunt their wealth... ugh. Changes to overview icons simply don't offend on the same level as what went down during Incarna.


Guess you you right there, all those "little" frustrations they add with the latest expansions wont lead to some uproar but rather end in a whimper ..... and thats actually tragic for CCP, as they will continue to loose players in a steady trickle instead of having to go through some cleaning storm.


The current rage is a slow burn, leading people just not to log back in. It wasnt so long ago that People would be starting threads about how on "this weekend" we were going to try for the record with concurrent users online, dev's would then chime in and root for everyone. Now, I never see devs talking about concurrent users online or about how subscriptions are growing. Instead all I see is the admittedly anecdotal evidence of lower and lower concurrent user numbers when I log on. Last night when I logged it was a mere 18k in prime US time and there was no action at all in our pipe. Fanbois excuse the user number slide by saying EVE is an old game, and old games bleed players. I think that is a cop out. When EVE was true to its ideals, eve grew. When eve started tinkering with core game play and worrying about being more wow like with its achievements and making the game new user friendly is when the train went off the rail and EVE started losing more old players then it gained new players.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Sere O'Asis
Desert Oasis Investigations
#1863 - 2015-06-19 17:06:33 UTC
Rio Bravo wrote:
I think the icons in 'Club Penguin' have been the same since beta. Maybe you'll all be happier waddling around there. They do change backgrounds from time to time though. Players might change their penguins colors or clothes, so you might still have to adapt a bit everytime you log in.



Rio Bravo, I like you. You are persistent in advocating your positions, and blunt.

Because of your persistence in saying the new icons looked good, I logged into the game at work and discovered the new icons were clear, were easy to identify, and didn't give me headaches.

I discovered the sun icon had little dots around it. I had never seen those. I had never seen any of the details on the new icons.

My monitor at work is a 24 inch Dell, my gaming screen at home is a 27 inch Crossover. Both are two years old. Each renders the game beautifully, except for the new icons, which are displayed quite differently. I spent 45 minutes trying different resolutions, and the best I could get on my 27 inch Crossover was four faint dots around the sun icon. I am not a programing/IT person, and as this is my first MMO I do not have the experience with other games to even guess why this is happening.

The Crossover is a better screen, produces a crisper picture then the Dell at work, why it does such a poor job of rendering the new icons I have no idea. It should produce a better picture than the Dell. It produces a better picture for everything BUT the new icons.

Perhaps this info will help.

Frankly Rio Bravo, I thought initially you were advocating your position without justification. I was wrong.

I still get headaches. I have cancelled my subscriptions. I had thought to resub should this issue ever be sorted out......until I read the devblog........

Someone needs to give CCP Surge a handbook on customer service.

We are talking about disposable income, entertainment dollars (in my case). I do not have to spend my game time, play time, or money on EVE. I choose to.

To paraphrase: But in New Eden space is merciless, and change is ever-present.

I agree, and so is real life. After reading this blog, I will not be back, period.

Unlike many, I will not leave my stuff in my hangar. I intend to get blown up a few more times, sell the remainder, take my isk to Amarr, and buy hulls and give them away. My annual subscription does not end until next year, but I will be gone by mid-July.
Bernard Dupont
Les mitraillettes
#1864 - 2015-06-19 18:34:20 UTC
CCP Surge wrote:
Milla Goodpussy wrote:
i want the old icons back,

im afraid since the majority of the community is saying the same. ccp has put on the wall module and are no longer paying any attention to this thread.


That's not true. We're definitely still keeping tabs on this thread and assessing the situation. Just don't expect any knee-jerk reactions from us so soon. For now keep the feedback coming, keep it constructive. Thanks



Why have we not the choice ? Is it too hard for ccp developper to make these choice in option ? Or are u affraid that most people ll choose old UI ?
Ida Aurlien
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#1865 - 2015-06-19 19:39:30 UTC
LOL you can really see the "Decoy's" ... Their the 1's defending all ccp moves... smells like they are trying to put a different spin on reality
Shuckstar
Blue Dreams Plus
#1866 - 2015-06-19 20:48:23 UTC
Quote:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/bracket-icon-feedback/


So basically **** you players, you are all wrong and don't play the same game that the Devs do, and all your feedback is useless because we pretend to listen then give you the middle finger anyway. Shocked

CCP Greyscale wrote:"OK, I've read every post up to page 200, and we're getting to a point in this thread where there's not a lot of new concerns or suggestions being brought up. There will be future threads (and future blogs) as we tune details, but for now I want to thank you for all of your constructive input, and wish you a good weekend :)"

Rio Bravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1867 - 2015-06-19 21:05:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Rio Bravo
Bernard Dupont wrote:
Why have we not the choice ? Is it too hard for ccp developper to make these choice in option ? Or are u affraid that most people ll choose old UI ?


Dude, the Dev blog said they are working on a 90% scaling fix and there are plans to make the icons set up customizable. What are you still crying about?

Roll

“You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. I dig.”  - Clint Eastwood, misquote.

Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
Red Serpent Alliance
#1868 - 2015-06-19 21:12:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Orm Magnustat
Don´t you ever get tired, Rio Bravo? Or do you have serious comprehension problems?
Even someone like you - who likes the new icons - could have learned that different people dislike the new iconset for quite different reasons .....


.... trolling with bait then?
Rio Bravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1869 - 2015-06-19 21:58:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Rio Bravo
Orm Magnustat wrote:
Don´t you ever get tired, Rio Bravo? Or do you have serious comprehension problems?
Even someone like you - who likes the new icons - could have learned that different people dislike the new iconset for quite different reasons .....


.... trolling with bait then?


"Mea culpa to those affected. Making the icons at least usable at 90% scaling is one of our top priorities for improvement, along with others outlined below."

-CCP Surge

"Improve NPC and player ship distinction

We agree with much of the feedback that the subtle interior fill to indicate NPCs is simply not drastic enough, so we’re looking at other ways to make NPC brackets more clearly identifiable compared to player-controlled ships.
Improve drone distinction

Another common feedback was the drone icons were still too complex and easily confused with ships. We’re also looking at ways to make drones on grid easier to separate from ships at a glance.
Add icons to overview customization

We’ve heard the most benefit from the new icons was gained by those with properly managed overview setups. We’re looking to add an icon column to the customization window, to make it super simple to understand which items you want the tab to display and how. This will also double as an in-client legend and visual guide to learning the new icons faster."

-CCP Surge

Hope that helps you a little bit...could have read it yourself with out me turning the pages for you. Am I a fanboi or troll because I actually read the stuff I post about? Or you mad bro, because I keep throwing water on the fiery hate-fest?

They are working on it...

Roll

“You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. I dig.”  - Clint Eastwood, misquote.

Steijn
Quay Industries
#1870 - 2015-06-19 22:04:04 UTC
Rio Bravo wrote:
They are working on it...

Roll


Im working on winning the lottery, I wouldnt bet against me not doing that before these icons are sorted.
Bernard Dupont
Les mitraillettes
#1871 - 2015-06-19 22:33:51 UTC
Rio Bravo wrote:
Bernard Dupont wrote:
Why have we not the choice ? Is it too hard for ccp developper to make these choice in option ? Or are u affraid that most people ll choose old UI ?


Dude, the Dev blog said they are working on a 90% scaling fix and there are plans to make the icons set up customizable. What are you still crying about?

Roll


Because annoncement is not yet follow by acts...to be continued...
Rio Bravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1872 - 2015-06-19 22:41:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Rio Bravo
Bernard Dupont wrote:
Because annoncement is not yet follow by acts...to be continued...


Then why post about something before they finish the thing they said they were working on? All you can say is we don't believe you...which is a waste of time.

CCP, can we get a skill book called 'Common Sense'? Maybe make it so you have to train it to level IV in game, before you can post in the forums.

Roll

“You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. I dig.”  - Clint Eastwood, misquote.

Natascha Kerenski
Immortal Legion
#1873 - 2015-06-19 22:50:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Natascha Kerenski
Rio Bravo wrote:
Bernard Dupont wrote:
Because annoncement is not yet follow by acts...to be continued...


Then why post about something before they finish the thing they said they were working on? All you can say is we don't believe you...which is a waste of time.




Because there is a "feature" on the live server that in its current state clearly belongs on the test server.
That what sissi is for...testing unfinished, half baked stuff.

“Fighting for peace is like having sex for virginity."

Rio Bravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1874 - 2015-06-19 22:53:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Rio Bravo
Natascha Kerenski wrote:
Because there is a "feature" on the live server that in its current state clearly belongs on the test server.
That what sissi is for...testing unfinished, half baked stuff.


Well, yeah, could have been released differently I guess...maybe it was a time constraint. Maybe not 100% ready, but then not everyone goes on SISI either. Don't forget...the dev's are proud of their game, they aren't going to ruin it just to spite players, that would be weird... Just be patient.

Straight

“You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. I dig.”  - Clint Eastwood, misquote.

ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#1875 - 2015-06-19 23:59:04 UTC
I have removed a blatant trolling post and one quoting it.

Quote:
5. Trolling is prohibited.

Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.

ISD Decoy

Captain

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department

Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#1876 - 2015-06-20 00:36:25 UTC
Rio Bravo wrote:
Bernard Dupont wrote:
Because annoncement is not yet follow by acts...to be continued...


Then why post about something before they finish the thing they said they were working on? All you can say is we don't believe you...which is a waste of time.

CCP, can we get a skill book called 'Common Sense'? Maybe make it so you have to train it to level IV in game, before you can post in the forums.

Roll


No we can say let us use the old icons while they are "working on it." CCP doesnt want to let the players use the old icons because they know that once people turn them off it will become just like captain quarters and the map, dead end content that is being used by almost nobody.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#1877 - 2015-06-20 00:43:20 UTC
Go ahead, mock the ones that are leaving over Icongate. Call us touchy, stubborn, non-evolving knuckle draggers the game would be better without since we're vision impaired, color blind, stuck with monitors that are sub-par, and won't keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

Then when something 'little' or big comes out that is a make or break for you, get used to it, sukk it up, and grow up. The same message we're getting as some leave for better customer service skies.

By that time however, you might be a little lonely in your howls and tear offerings, as there might not be as many to care either way.

Call it sudden rage (Incarna style) or a slow burn. The numbers don't play favorites. Checking over at Eve-Offline, and watching the average logged in account numbers (slowly I will admit) sink further down shows in simple digits, there is a growing problem that is not being repaired. Head in the sand actions won't fix that. Neither will more shiny SKINs to pick from.

No Vampire the Masquerade game. Dust not doing what was hoped. Eve Online numbers dripping away.

CCP better hope there's enough people willing to spring for the high end system and hardware for their VR game. Floating a business budget of Plex and Aurum purchase will only go so far. Best of luck with that.

I'll check now and again, see if the game is once again playable without agony. Otherwise, meh. I have other places to throw the entertainment dollar, as I've stated before. Have your sandbox, it needs scooping as it smells.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.

Natascha Kerenski
Immortal Legion
#1878 - 2015-06-20 00:54:52 UTC
Rio Bravo wrote:
Natascha Kerenski wrote:
Because there is a "feature" on the live server that in its current state clearly belongs on the test server.
That what sissi is for...testing unfinished, half baked stuff.


Well, yeah, could have been released differently I guess...maybe it was a time constraint. Maybe not 100% ready, but then not everyone goes on SISI either. Don't forget...the dev's are proud of their game, they aren't going to ruin it just to spite players, that would be weird... Just be patient.

Straight



1. Yes not everyone goes on SISI...but there was enough feedback when it still was on SISI that seems to be unheard.

2. Yes the Dev's are proud of their game...but i get more and more the impression those dev's that are responsible for this
aren't playing the same game that i play.

and no RIO..i am the biggest fanboi, but in my humble opinion this also means that you have to step up with criticism.

and to CCP SURGE ...An error doesn't become a mistake until you refuse to correct it.Attention

“Fighting for peace is like having sex for virginity."

Steijn
Quay Industries
#1879 - 2015-06-20 09:20:16 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Rio Bravo wrote:
Bernard Dupont wrote:
Because annoncement is not yet follow by acts...to be continued...


Then why post about something before they finish the thing they said they were working on? All you can say is we don't believe you...which is a waste of time.

CCP, can we get a skill book called 'Common Sense'? Maybe make it so you have to train it to level IV in game, before you can post in the forums.

Roll


No we can say let us use the old icons while they are "working on it." CCP doesnt want to let the players use the old icons because they know that once people turn them off it will become just like captain quarters and the map, dead end content that is being used by almost nobody.


If it was my game, I think id rather have dead end content that wasnt used than lose subscribers. Content doesnt generate ££££££, subscribers do.
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#1880 - 2015-06-20 12:07:08 UTC
Rio Bravo wrote:
Orm Magnustat wrote:
Don´t you ever get tired, Rio Bravo? Or do you have serious comprehension problems?
Even someone like you - who likes the new icons - could have learned that different people dislike the new iconset for quite different reasons .....


.... trolling with bait then?


"Mea culpa to those affected. Making the icons at least usable at 90% scaling is one of our top priorities for improvement, along with others outlined below."

-CCP Surge

"Improve NPC and player ship distinction

We agree with much of the feedback that the subtle interior fill to indicate NPCs is simply not drastic enough, so we’re looking at other ways to make NPC brackets more clearly identifiable compared to player-controlled ships.
Improve drone distinction

Another common feedback was the drone icons were still too complex and easily confused with ships. We’re also looking at ways to make drones on grid easier to separate from ships at a glance.
Add icons to overview customization

We’ve heard the most benefit from the new icons was gained by those with properly managed overview setups. We’re looking to add an icon column to the customization window, to make it super simple to understand which items you want the tab to display and how. This will also double as an in-client legend and visual guide to learning the new icons faster."

-CCP Surge

Hope that helps you a little bit...could have read it yourself with out me turning the pages for you. Am I a fanboi or troll because I actually read the stuff I post about? Or you mad bro, because I keep throwing water on the fiery hate-fest?

They are working on it...

Roll

This means just sh*t. Old UI was working. We ALL loved it. Did not need change. Did not need improvement. Did not need Fozzie-like-sh*t. Single thing needed was for some to justify their payment. Period. Also "working on it" means we "will see in the future bla-bla". As we all know only too well.