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Do not like the new Thrasher design. Current design is still one of the best looking ships out there.

The Stiletto WIP goes too far, for my taste. I would like to see more of an evolution of the current design. The flat, straight wings, and the top center piece that the wings flow out from, with its flat shallow angles, suggests Caldari influence to me. Please put some angle back into the wings, and, they should be solar panels. The WIP is flat-shaded, so maybe they were going to be, idk.

I think the Probe WIP looks more substantial than it should. The Probe and variants are light-duty exploration ships. The top solar sail is replaced by a solid, heavy, almost-pyramidal tower structure. Please make this structure thinner. Likewise, the center-forward cockpit extension is short, stubby, and has a thick neck in this WIP. It seems to be borrowed from the Tempest, which is kind of a neat idea, unifying some Minmatar design cues. But these two parts being this tough looking, loses some of the "I need to be careful with this ship" delicacy, of the current Probe.

I love new design, but i think that he points out something true in some ways.
I've always thought those long straight lines were a Caldari thing.
May be you're planning to animate wings in warp ?
I would suggest to do the other way around, leave the wings open with angles in non-in-warp state, and put them together in a straight line with no angles when it goes in warp !

Old Thrasher has a classic look that should not be changed. That is a pretty cool design though so I propose that instead of the Thrasher you use that model for the Rupture. It would be a perfect change!

The Dominix

Perfect make it so.

The Stilletto

The wings are a bit too large for a Minmatar i think, the rest is good.

The Probe

Good but i don't understand the center up part.

The Thrasher

I dislike the current choice but if you don't change what you have in mind, add a second large propulsion at the back please.

Redesign thumbnail exploration : I and J concepts are interesting.

Redesign WIP : without the top, it's just ugly.

Redesign variation exploration if you don't change your idea :

• B : ok for the Thrasher
• D : ok for the Saber
• F : is interesting
• A,C,E : bad

Please don't try to match it with the Talwar who look like an Earth tank.

I love the redesigns for all the ships you have been doing. they seem more in line with the ships introduced later in the game.

I see a lot of "Iconic" this "loved" that, however from a person that has been flying in EVE since 2004 i can recall a lot of discussion in the game as to the asymmetric look of most of the ships and how many of the ships looked like junk back during those times. IIRC someone in the art department said that most ships were like that because of limitations at the time they were originally made, but that they always wanted to redo all the ships in the game.

Now this is a case of, like another player posted, "neo-phobia" if all the ships looked like the redesigns they show here from day one, and they started to change them into what they look like now you would all be crying bloody murder as well. I am still waiting for the day of the badass Thorax redesign (pls )

It's not that the proposed redesign is a bad model - I certainly wouldn't suggest putting it in the circular file. But it is not as good the current Thrasher model*. I don't mean that as a knock against the artist or artists who designed it. Keep it for another ship. Either another Minmatar destroyer, if one comes out, or use it as an update for a cruiser instead (Rupture, Scythe, or Bellicose are all options).

*The current Thrasher model could stand some touch ups, but the underlying design is one of the best in the game. It looks dangerous, and it looks minimalist and no-frills without looking jury-rigged. Plus, it's arguably only slightly less iconic than the Rifter.

Perhaps it has been mentioned before and I missed it, but here goes:

What is the art teams thoughts on redesigns and allowing classic hulls to stay in the form of skins? Sure we have paint jobs, but there is an obvious desire for classic looks as well as new. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I admit I don't know much about the workload in maintaining multiple hull versions of the same ship. Especially when you consider we are talking hundreds in the EVE universe.

Your thoughts?

Welcome, CCP Jörg.

People sure do get attached to their favorites, don't they? I like the new Thrasher possibilities, but I fly them only rarely. I'd possibly be quite upset if it was one of my favorites getting such a comprehensive overhaul.

If the server database and client installs could handle it, I think it'd be a worthwhile addition to the EVE universe to have ship versions. So the new Thrasher - it'd be the "Thrasher YC117". Those who like their "Thrasher YC116" versions would still be able to fly them - but wouldn't be able to purchase or manufacture any new ones. Upon announcement of the YC117 version, market PvPers would have additional content opportunities. And after release, owners of the older version would have sandbox opportunities of either flying and losing their vintage ships, or hoarding them as collectors, or holding them as investments for later sale.

Do this for both graphic model changes and stat changes.

Can you imagine the market there'd be right now for non-nerfed Ishtars if they were still around? They wouldn't be OP since they'd be subject to destruction if used during combat, and market conditions would make their value very high for those who could afford to use them. Given enough time, and there'd be only a single Ishtar YC116 left in the whole game...

Possible concerns...
Rampant growth of the shared cache size for the clients.
The market browser could get cluttered, but a simple settings toggle of "Show only current model ships" would eliminate display vintage ships.
While assembled and package ships would be untouched by new ship versions, BPOs and BPCs of such ships would still have to be changed over, in order to prevent the older versions from being constructed.

The dominix still looks like a giant turd. I LOVE IT!!!!!



The only way I will accept the thrasher design is if
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67315/1/06_THRASHER.jpg
becomes the thrasher and
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67315/1/07_THRASHER.jpg
becomes the T2 interdiction launcher because it looks too Caldari to be a base ship for the Minmatar.