Player Features and Ideas Discussion

They need it ontop of the new mods, ship speeds have almost doubled in some cases, what was balanced once is trash now.

agreeded... I am personally I hate ECM but i can see how those who like it and want it to stay.. but that does not mean we dont need an Ewar counter to missiles and a effective counter to drones...

This may be a good time to make the festival launcher into something more or make an evolution of it into a Chaff/Flare launcher or some similar type of countermeasure.

The Chaff/ Flare should probably be an ammo type similar to bomb in it's mechanics but slower in movement (5-10kps). It's should have a rate of fire similar to a rocket launcher but with a reload time like a RLM launcher and an charge limit similar to the ASB or AAR. The charge itself has an AOE of 5-10km
It should not be 100% effective either. I know it's ability to "firewall" is a bit much but that will depend really on the pilots using the countermeasure and now they actively shape the field of combat. Even with a successful firewall of this type of countermeasure a percentage of damage still makes it through, so maybe 5-15% of the missiles that pass within the charges AOE will not be fooled and still make it to the target.
Almost all of us have watched missiles move around so it's also possible for the ship who used the countermeasure to move in just a way to make the missile change to a flight path that could avoid the countermeasure all together.

When looking at manufacturing this new type of charge, I would look towards stuff like stront, heavy water, nanites, tungsten, titanium, and/or any of the minerals.


(could also be a drone countermeasure too???)

You mean sensor dampeners?

So compared to a 150mm rail longbow corm it does cost about the same, does about the same DPS has about the same range.

on the plus side this probably has a better tank and 3x the volley

on the minus side 110km of missile delay

Wtf us wrong this community !?!?!? CCP finally decides to give missiles some love and most of y'all just wanna whine and b*tch about everything or cry for more...this is eve htfu and stop with all the qq. Oh and while you're at it how about Thank You CCP.

TDs should affect Missles now as well...

Thanks CCP for Power Creep!

6 months from now when they have to buff medium arty damage because they decided a 5% increase to HMs was a good idea you can come back an +1 this post.

HMs do not need a raw damage bonus. They need the 12% reduction to explosion radius redacted.

If anything, they could use a raw damage reduction...so Arties truly stand out as the kings of Alpha and roll the DPS back into a reduction on Heavy Launcher ROF.

edit: In other words, here is how you take advantage of the fact that TPs and MGC/MGEs don't stack with each other.


In the context of the 2nd part of the missile formula, here is the effective bonus of each module after stacking penalties (for 5 modules) are applied.

For example, for a Golem with its TP bonus, this is the order for filling your seven mids with TPs and MGC IIs with Precision scripts:
156.25% PWNAGE 50% Bonus (e.g. Golem)
148.89% PWNAGE 50%
146.91% MGC II w/ Prec
140.77% MGC II w/ Prec
132.10% PWNAGE 50%
126.77% MGC II w/ Prec
115.92% PWNAGE 50%

A Typhoon, with non-bonused TPs should fit TPs and MGC IIs with scripts in this order:
146.91% MGC II w/ Prec
140.77% MGC II w/ Prec
137.50% PWNAGE
132.59% PWNAGE
126.77% MGC II w/ Prec
Adding a MGE II (which would be the 5th module for stacking purposes) in the lows would provide:
101.47% MGE II


Below are the stacking penalized values for each module.

156.25%  PWNAGE 50% Bonus (e.g. Golem)
148.89%  PWNAGE 50%
132.10%  PWNAGE 50%
115.92%  PWNAGE 50%
105.96%  PWNAGE 50%

137.50%  PWNAGE
132.59%  PWNAGE
121.40%  PWNAGE
110.61%  PWNAGE
103.97%  PWNAGE

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146.91%  MGC II w/ Prec
140.77%  MGC II w/ Prec
126.77%  MGC II w/ Prec
113.27%  MGC II w/ Prec
104.97%  MGC II w/ Prec

135.29%  MGC  I w/Prec
130.67%  MGC  I w/Prec
120.14%  MGC  I w/Prec
109.99%  MGC  I w/Prec
103.74%  MGC  I w/Prec

120.99%  MGC II
118.25%  MGC II
111.98%  MGC II
105.94%  MGC II
102.23%  MGC II

116.22%  MGC I
114.09%  MGC I
109.25%  MGC I
104.59%  MGC I
101.72%  MGC I

113.90%  MGE II
112.08%  MGE II
107.93%  MGE II
103.93%  MGE II
101.47%  MGE II

110.53%  MGE I
109.15%  MGE I
106.01%  MGE I
102.98%  MGE I
101.12%  MGE I

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For completeness, here are rigor/flare rigs (which don't suffer stacking penalties.)

125.00%  Rigor II
120.00%  Flare II
117.65%  Rigor I
115.00%  Flare I

I'm still curious to where on earth the counter to these are, in Crucible I believe you, yourself said that you are looking into introducing tracking disruptors for missiles, but you wanted to wait to gather data on the recent changes you made to missiles so you could balance them fairly, that was now, what? 3 Years ago, and now you want to BUFF missiles by giving them a tracking boosting module and still have not released a disruption module, come on, get it together, i'm all for these modules but only IF you release a disruptor for missile too.