EVE General Discussion

I understand your position upon making the game realistic,
But this is a video game. As game developers we know and recognize that the game can only
ever be so realistic.

I want you to look at eve in terms of theft, corruption etc from the start until now. I want you to
look at high sec killing compared to now.

I'm not a carebear, I an a 2003 PvP Vet and i can careless for the most part as a player, but
as a developer i highly believe you allowing people such easy access and so little reprocussion
it makes every legit avenue of isk earning, Obsolete and undesirable.

There is always going to be people that are aligned to good, and treating others with such,
but i ask the powerful question

How many of them are left today, as opposed to what it use to be?

I really want you guys to think hard and long about this, because this is degrading the nature of eve.
I am not asking you to remove the concept, i am asking you to balance it.

A few examples of this i would recommend is...

Freight no longer is actually carried by couriers. What is moved is a sort of "token".
If the contract is canceled the items are returned to the player in the contracts native home station.
Contracts can no long hold false items in it (meaning, no more selling a vexor pretending its an ishtar).
Return the Limit of 3 active wars to corporations in eve.


As game developers we recognize that the majority of the game is casual players. You are allowing
a specific body in this game (to which their cry is "We come to make you want to quit this game")
Ruin your game.

End this game design fail, and return the game to a good aligned state.

[b]Rip out your poison.[/b]

Translation: I'm a coward, so rather than confront Goons head on I'm going to get CCP to remove them for me.

Actuality: You just made Goons (or CODE, or whoever) EVEN STRONGER by giving them attention and also by making people who might have otherwise been your allies turn away because they don't want to be associated with foolishness.

Conclusion: Goon or Code alt False flagging it.

I have to agree. People who play smart, don't use fail fits and who possess a healthy level or paranoia are more than capable of thriving despite the inherent dangers of undocking.

I live in HS and I'm doing really good for myself despite things like wardecs, suicide gankers and the like.

Well, guess what.

CCP markets Eve as exactly the place for those that enjoy that "poison". CCP relishes in the fact that billion-isk scams and corp thefts in Eve make it to the mainstream press. CCP, over years, has carefully bred its own playerbase into a pool of ever-hungry, merciless sharks... and you just exposed your bleeding bottom to the entire General Discussion.

Enjoy your feedback.

Maybe it's a false flag, but considering some of his other posts I have my doubts.
Agree with assessment that this post helps the (Grrr?) Goons.

On the contrary.

It adds depth to the game. There are numerous very easy methods to avoid getting ganked in HS. For a miner, fly a tanked procurer and not a ovetor. Slightly less yield, but mostly no ganks or a hiarious show ehen conord is faster then the gakers. Or you mine AFk in a ret and siply price the occasinal gank in your ISk/h calculation. But nonetheless, having to do this calculation adds meaningfull choice and depth to the game. it means you have to take care of your defense, an that is a good thing.

For haulers, equal things apply. Fly a properly tanked ship and do not load to much cargo into it. For freighters, use a webbing alt. Both adds depth to the game and it balances the economy. If you could not longer destroy freight, it would mean that you could become rechless and greedy, hauling as much as you can get into your ship because there would be no consequences. Again, ganking is good and easily avoidable.

As for mission runners, the same principle applies. Use insta-dock BMs, you undock BMs, or simply don't bling your ship. L4s can be done with Tech II mods, no need for green/blue/purple. But if you choose to go green/blue/purple, there should ofc be consequences. Again, getting ganked as a mission runner can easily be avoided and it adds depth to the game in the form of risk vs. reward calculations.

EVE is based around risk vs. reward, even in high sec. While I don't gank, I don't have a problems with others doing it. I have been ganked before, but each time it was my own fault. I have never been ganked without having done something wrong (which can be not using scouts, hauling over priced cargo, flying a blinged ship without scout and proper BMs or simply being careless in another way).

Ganking is quite balanced. There are a ton of things you can do against it. Or you can simply fly your freighter into amarr just now, because why on earth would you ever look on the kill stats on your map when hauling multpile billions?


We already have a game mechanic that is supposed to deal with contract cancellation, and it does that very well. It called collateral. Simply put a high enough collateral on your stuff and you are fine. Maybe your stuff doesn't get to where you want it, but at least you get the collateral and can buy new stuff.
As for the 2nd point, we already have a tool against that, it is called the market. Just because you think it is a good idea to buy from a contract AND DON'T EVEN READ THE CONTRACT doesn't mean it broken or needs fixing. by the way, how would you ever fix the problem? If you do not allow renaming of contracts, I simply put one vexor and one tritanium in it so that the conract say "multiple items" and sellit as ishtar. So yeah, your proposal wouldn't work either way, as long as people don#t read and use common sense.

As far as war-deccing goes you are right, but I don't think that a 3 war limit is the solution.W e need to have a look at corps and structures in HS and then come up with a completely new system of dealing with HS and war mechanics that gives some meaningful gameplay to both the attacker and the defender. I doN#t think a simple limit would be beneficial.

eve is a space game where people fly spaceships with guns from the luxury of a pod hardwired into yourself and controlled from somewhere else, i dunno where you're getting realistic from

Theft and scamming does not add depth to the game, it ass douchebaggery, and the only result from that is people leaving the game because the development /moderation team will not do anything.


Not everyone in this game is a scumbag goon member who's soul objective is to "make people quit" and the fact that ccp will not do anything against this body is utterly redic.

This game will die off because of these mechanics, and because of the fact that there is no seriously influx of players (Most likely due to these idiots, as well as due to the fact that eve is a subscription based game)


No matter how you try to spin this as a being a "Benefit to the game" Im calling you a scumbag on account of scamming and cheating people, and im calling you a loser on account that you do it on a video game.

That's why I only accept hardcore-Republicans into my crew.

GRRRR GOONS


- Pixie