Player Features and Ideas Discussion

rockets could do with lower volume

torps need better fitting and range (rockets 10km, hams 20km, torps 20km, what?)

and as always, missiles will always be garbage while skirmish links are around. missile damage is basically determined by speed:sig. you can't improve speed:sig by ~80% and still expect missiles to work.

Good god the amount of Drakes/Tengu's that are going to be flying everywhere...

Also.. lets make Garmurs and Orthurus's even more absurd :-)

Heavy's needed a buff, but the lack of a direct ewar counter on these is disturbing.

This going to be so pretty disaster. Ewar modules on weapon system that takes time to apply damage (flight time)?
Kinetic lock? You don't have to write devblog about it, simple answers are best: yes, no, we think about it...

I see great future for bombers..

ACHTUNG! Module stats were changed. New numbers here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5847341#post5847341

Normalized values in terms of how they affect the 2nd part of the missile formula

250.0% - 60% Web
187.5% - 2x Rigor II, Flare II
179.7% - 2x Rigor II, Flare I
162.8% - 3x Rigor I
156.3% - bonused PWNAGE TP (e.g. Golem)  (skills V)
156.3% - 2x Rigor II
146.9% - MGC II @ 19% w/Precision Script
138.4% - 2x Rigor I
137.5% - PWNAGE TP (skills V)
135.3% - MGC I @ 15% w/Precision Script
125.0% - Rigor II
121.0% - MGC II @ 9.5% 
120.0% - Flare II
117.6% - Rigor I
116.2% - MGC I @ 7.5%
115.0% - Flare I
113.9% - MGE II (6.5%)
110.5% - MGE I (5%)

edit: Added T1 values.
edit2: Added common rigor/flare combos

im glad it was u rise

but you shouldve done this a long time ago

looks a little strong, the few armor tanked missile ships are going to be disgustingly good with these changes. heaven knows missiles need some love though, glad something is being done about it.

Yes but gunboats are not (really) CPU bound. Most missile boats are. Exceptions exist, of course, but in general terms it holds.

A lot of missile ships run painters - swapping a painter out for these mods means:

Significantly more resource needed (CPU)
Slight improvement over said PWNAGE
Loss of boost to fleet due to dropping said PWNAGE.

That feels a little...off kilter. Tbh the CPU should probably be swapped given one is a gang helper, but that's obviously a mad change which screws with things all over the place but for me - gang assist should be a higher "cost" than "self assist".

Yes, they're a bit strong because, IMHO, missile ships are "required" to fit as many damage application modules as possible (e.g. Rigors and TPs,) whereas gunships can manage transversal to land big guns on small ships. (Yes, I know guns/missiles are still an apples and oranges situation.) In theory, a strong MGC would allow PvP missile ships to free up rig slots. OTOH, it could lead to big missiles blapping little ships.


However, on the PvE side, the MGC is a bit overpowered. *cough* Typhoon? *cough*

Except for the Mission Golem. I will still use Cruise missiles on my Golem despite the torp buff and MGC, but I should be able to use Warp Speed rigs instead of Rigors and compensate by running a mix of TPs and MGCs. However, my Vargur will still outperform the Golem for mission running.

Makes the actual TD works on that please.