Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This surprises me not even a little.

I am a wormhole player, which means I need to be able to warp to my bookmarks at 0. A cloaky scout will never be at 0 on the hole when a hostile fleet is present, which means you need insane amounts of effort to get warp-ins behind/around the wormhole even if that wormhole has no other celestials in the direction where your bookmark is.

If we would purely follow your suggestion, it would be extremely cumbersome for anything to be done and really kill the fun.

I don't think there's any doubt we can adapt.

Question is why we should adapt to something that:
- makes the FC do more and tedious work, often at the cost of getting additional alts,
- reduces the quality of life for the average pilot by making them sit around longer,
- cause balance issues with kiting setups by making them even more un-catchable,
- forces WH groups to relegate a previously useful and engaged pilot to the position of a mobile bookmarks, and slow travel down by about 2x,
- etc. etc.

When it's not even clear that this change will achieve what it has set out to.

Those reddit comments are just about the most depressing thing I have read in a while.

The question/problem is just this: how does making this a reality, that is, this added step of warping to cloaky fleet member instead of warping fleet directly, achieve the stated goal of CCP (i.e. more fleet member participation) when 95% of the time, the FC will be the one doing this cloaky role?

Most of us here, and I think correctly, have argued it doesn't. CCP is removing playability in return for a major inconvenience (and let's be honest, just another arbitrarily added step) which will only make fleet engagements THAT much more of a pain in the ass. And for what? One person (assuming it's not the FC -- which as we already know it will be) to have a slightly larger, albeit boring role?

I don't think most people are against increasing fleet member participation -- there have been MANY good suggestions posted that would accomplish this goal in a better way.

What scares people is the fact that CCP is clearly going to just go ahead with this change regardless of the other better ideas.

On a related note, I do believe that this change will significantly reduce new player subscriptions, unfortunately.

He's talking about being a warp in for the hole itself. You don't sit at 0 on the hole. Even at 3k, you can now land up to 5km away when you warp to said cloaky at 0. I suppose the slowdown multiplier is more than 2x..

That's right - superluminal communications completely unaffected by distances of thousands of light years, and my ship's computer can't give your ship's computer the 3 pairs of numbers that form coordinates when we're 1500m apart.

Somehow I don't think subscription income works the way people think.

This type of change is bold, and it might seem to mean fewer vet subs, and then EVE will die. But consider the possibility that most of EVE's subscription / real money income is from baddies buying PLEX.

So the income reality might actually be the opposite of what you think--less pressure on PLEX means lower ISK value on market, which means baddies will buy more PLEX to have the same amount of ISK, assuming their ISK spending stays the same.

It's a nice thought that EVE is being revamped for the sake of pure gameplay, subscriptions be damned... but that's unrealistic.

+1 for taking me at my word, and while this is appealing and bombers prevent a cool battleship meta this reply assumes that bombers are the only reason for nerfing fleet warp and we know that this isn't the case. Therefore in essence it's a straw man argument, i.e. an attempt to reframe CCPS concerns in a way that one can attack or ridicule.

I don't think bombers deserve to be complete disabled either, they are cool and the torp version is pretty effective for a low skill point player to have some pretty radical time.

On grid probing is the problem, and this change would be good for the game, if a little awkward. So for goodness sake if we want a positive change then lets not be too disingenuous.

People just act as if this was a change to something absolutely unheard in EvE when all it really is is a sort of roll back to how things were a couple of years back when there was far less holding hands and catering to the aut****.

People managed back then, they actually manged just fine and people will manage again.

And as of 80 pages "negative" feedback, I see mostly alts and minor scrubs like myself posting against it except I am not against it, I am in favor still does not change that I am a minor scrub none the less while the guys from the major alliance and a lot of vets who actually still know how things used to be a couple of years back are very much in favor of the change.

It seems that the people against it are the newer ones and people who think that log in, join fleet, assign drones, watch furry smut, come back and admire your increased kill board stats is indeed leet peeveepee.