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Carnyx release - General feedback

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The Chodak
Void Alliance
#1801 - 2015-06-18 17:07:51 UTC
CCP Claymore wrote:
Quote:

are you going to reinstate the old icons, even if only as a temporary measure?


The simple answer at the moment is no.

I think i'll stop playing this game, in pvp it takes ages to see what's attacking me and what is pve stuff.
Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1802 - 2015-06-18 17:09:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Panterata
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
Jeven HouseBenyo wrote:

Getting to 1800 replies on this thread


From the same people, over and over again.

Jeven HouseBenyo wrote:

After admitting you could keep some sort of contact and updating in better standings, you then continue to... do the same mostly silent stonewall treatment.


What is there to respond to? The same complaints and threats people keep repeating page after page? They already said they will not go back to the old icons. And to await the blog for more information. Nothing more for them to say.

All those threatening to quit over the icons, put your money where your mouth is and do it. Like Hilmar said during Greed Is Good, they care about what you DO, not what you say. So DO it. No need to post about it over and over again.

-Unezka Turigahl (not a CCP alt)




What is there to respond to? - Simple - "We will roll back the old icons! - that is what they must say and do. Because these are the wishes of the 80% of the active ppl!

No one cares for their blogs!

Greed is Sin! Greed is not Good

So don't you realize that we can't DO anything with this sh...ity icons?! That's why the ppl are screaming! So if they want to DO something we can DO IT with the old PVP and PVE icons! That's it!
space gator
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#1803 - 2015-06-18 18:02:07 UTC
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
#1804 - 2015-06-18 18:02:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Eraza
I'm very surprised noone from CCP came to post this link here:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/bracket-icon-feedback/

edit: aww, space gator beat my to it by seconds :)
Ripblade Falconpunch
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1805 - 2015-06-18 18:04:51 UTC
For anyone who doesn't want to read the exciting new devblog.....

The tl;dr is "Screw you customers, we know best".
Kiera Oramara
Roadkill Limited
#1806 - 2015-06-18 18:12:02 UTC
Ok we have had the icons for awhile now And they still SUX Cry
I even read the dev blog from CCP Surge

But my opinion is still the same (see quote under)

K

Kiera Oramara wrote:
Please stop dragging your feets Just give us the old icons back........







.

Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1807 - 2015-06-18 18:18:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Panterata
Ripblade Falconpunch wrote:
For anyone who doesn't want to read the exciting new devblog.....

The tl;dr is "Screw you customers, we know best".


Unfortunately they are saying exactly this! - We don't care what you want because we are THINKING that is better.


Hey CCP and all DEV team. I think is time to start play this game because obviously you are not!!!

Anyway I will find a way how to remove my IC colon from my overview and turn all brackets off

/me Log out
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
#1808 - 2015-06-18 18:23:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Eraza
Gah, CCP, you missed the train entirely, at least for my personal problems

I have no problem telling the icons apart when I focus on them.
These icons are so similar that i HAVE to focus on them, to tell them apart, which takes longer.
Your new icons are very pretty, AND make sence, unfortunately, this is a visual problem, that has nothing to do with preference or aesthetic.

Also that blog post has somewhat of an attitude to it.
I seriously feel that whoever wrote it was pissed off at the complaints and would have preferred to be allowed to tell us to **** ***

You may want to follow http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility or your own version of it
This tells me more of your customers opinion on this this change then everything in this thread
The peak users have dropped by about 2500 in the last two weeks?

If I'm counting that right, and that is NOT just a coincidence, it looks like AT LEAST 2500 people stopped playing, to send you a 35000$/month middle finger, for this change..
The true numbers have yet to appear.


And seriously CCP, I expected better from you than that blog post, it's just dripping with attitude.
Tasteless, at best.
EDIT: specifically, the meme near the top, reads like a big middle finger, you may want to consider removing that.
That last paragraph also just leaves me speachless
Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1809 - 2015-06-18 18:34:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Panterata
btw when you will offer customization of the icons as you said in your "blog"

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67311/1/cheatsheet.jpg

I would like to replace my player ship icons for ALL classes and NPC ship icons for ALL classes with the icons from Generic > Structures which look [ ] for player ships icons for ALL classes and Entity which look + for all npc ships for ALL classes.

Can I?
Eke Patang
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1810 - 2015-06-18 18:50:35 UTC
Read the blog and the last paragraph leaves me completely speechless but at least we are left in no doubt about the contempt most of the playerbase are held in so well done in making that part so clear.
Steijn
Quay Industries
#1811 - 2015-06-18 18:57:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Steijn
Sorry, but that blog is shite and of no use whatsoever.

If you force the new set on us with no alternative option, then you will lose a certain amount from the playerbase. If you give us the option, you might actually find that some of us move over to the new ones once they are 'sorted'.

I just think you are really missing the point on this and are so detached from the wishes of the players, that its worrying.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#1812 - 2015-06-18 19:18:28 UTC
I got to say that the dev blog is completely unreal. It is as tone deaf as saying $1000 space jeans were good for eve.

Its been said before and is worth repeating - the new icons do not "Improve player’s situational awareness and reaction times in combat" instead they make them worse since the icons are too small and too similar to each other. The icons also do not create a "clearer system for identifying different objects in space." Instead there is just informational overload with a needlessly cluttered screen that hides all of the useful information. As for "Unifying the iconography with the ship tree in ISIS" - who cares? Most players (at least those that I know) do not use ISIS and have removed it from their overviews (I stuck mine into a junk subcatagory).

The blog is clearly just a finger in the eye to the players. Its CCP telling us, we cooked you up a shitsandwhich; maybe with time we'll make it tastier but now you got to eat it for the indefinite future since there is no estimate as to when we are going to get it right, so just like Captains quarters, its likely going to sit around in its halfassed state indefinitely.

Sure CCP I get that you feel the need to turn simple things to complex ones. But since you seem to recognize that the icons are currently subpar, at least let us use the old ones until you get these new ones up to snuff.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#1813 - 2015-06-18 19:21:22 UTC
Panterata wrote:
btw when you will offer customization of the icons as you said in your "blog"

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67311/1/cheatsheet.jpg

I would like to replace my player ship icons for ALL classes and NPC ship icons for ALL classes with the icons from Generic > Structures which look [ ] for player ships icons for ALL classes and Entity which look + for all npc ships for ALL classes.

Can I?


Would be certainly nice if CCP would just offer a "classic" option for icons.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1814 - 2015-06-18 19:34:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Panterata
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Panterata wrote:
btw when you will offer customization of the icons as you said in your "blog"

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/67311/1/cheatsheet.jpg

I would like to replace my player ship icons for ALL classes and NPC ship icons for ALL classes with the icons from Generic > Structures which look [ ] for player ships icons for ALL classes and Entity which look + for all npc ships for ALL classes.

Can I?


Would be certainly nice if CCP would just offer a "classic" option for icons.


That is my point m8. Because the Structure icons is quite similar to the old PVP ship icon and Entity icons is quite similar to old NPC ship icon. I want to use them for my PVP and PVE overview for all class ships!

I don't care for the sun,station,gates,betls icons etc etc
space gator
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#1815 - 2015-06-18 19:35:51 UTC
I appreciate the attempt at making humor of a bad situation, at least somewhat. However, the bordering on insulting portion of the blog:



"… Those that managed to adapt quickly in the early days of the great Iconocalypse of 2015 certainly profited handsomely from the confusion it sowed.

But in New Eden space is merciless, and change is ever-present."



Seems to redirect blame in the issue, and says here is a big "L" for Loser to put on your forehead to the eve community if you failed to adapt.
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
#1816 - 2015-06-18 19:41:34 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
I got to say that the dev blog is completely unreal. It is as tone deaf as saying $1000 space jeans were good for eve.

Its been said before and is worth repeating - the new icons do not "Improve player’s situational awareness and reaction times in combat" instead they make them worse since the icons are too small and too similar to each other. The icons also do not create a "clearer system for identifying different objects in space." Instead there is just informational overload with a needlessly cluttered screen that hides all of the useful information. As for "Unifying the iconography with the ship tree in ISIS" - who cares? Most players (at least those that I know) do not use ISIS and have removed it from their overviews (I stuck mine into a junk subcatagory).

The blog is clearly just a finger in the eye to the players. Its CCP telling us, we cooked you up a shitsandwhich; maybe with time we'll make it tastier but now you got to eat it for the indefinite future since there is no estimate as to when we are going to get it right, so just like Captains quarters, its likely going to sit around in its halfassed state indefinitely.

Sure CCP I get that you feel the need to turn simple things to complex ones. But since you seem to recognize that the icons are currently subpar, at least let us use the old ones until you get these new ones up to snuff.


Perhaps they look better on whatever huge monitors CCP is using, but i'm playing on a 22" 1920x1080 monitor, when I get a blob of ships, I only see three things:

Small triangle: frigate
Big triangle: destroyer/cruiser/battecrusier
Arrow thing: battleship

And I need to focus and look carefully, to tell them apart.
Getting a quick guess of how many of each, is quite impossible.

It's all a blob of crap that looks the same
give me a group of ships, and there is no way I can tell how many of them are triangles with lines under them, and how many are fat triangles
It's all just a blob of fat triangles.
Nym Doe
Bear Bones Brigade
#1817 - 2015-06-18 19:47:08 UTC
Awful awful awful blog and missing the point entirely.

"Improving player’s situational awareness and reaction times in combat."

Not addressed in next steps and this is the biggest issue.

Well done for paying no attention to what the players actually are asking for. The old icons back.

That devblog squeals like a bag of pigs.
Grubgrafter
Fortis fortuna adiuvat
#1818 - 2015-06-18 19:47:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Grubgrafter
OMG, they're lapping up their own BS....

Given the length of time peeps have had to wait for this 'tell us want we didn't already know blog + dev's finger', I see the feedback from this thread has been put to good use... (NOT)..

Absolutely pitiful blog on Icongate issue...

I believe now ccp is on its own mission and frankly doesn't give a damn...

Question, a very simple one... Why would you want to give every single item in space its own icon??

The icons achieve quite the reverse of what your stated goal is....

Signing off from this thread, as little point talking to a wall..... Returning the finger
Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1819 - 2015-06-18 19:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Panterata
Nooo....these triangles are wrecks....or no....flying wrecks...wait...which is wreck or is that a wreck....no it was NPC ....?!
Destrukter
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1820 - 2015-06-18 19:50:09 UTC



TLDR; "%#@$ you"



Ok then, %#@$ you too!