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Carnyx release - General feedback

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Vitrolic Vehemence
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1781 - 2015-06-18 06:46:28 UTC
i love the new icons, they're better at discerning ship types....before you couldnt tell a frigate from a destroyer or a cruser from a battlecruser. dont change a thing!
Sophia Mileghere
Scandium Defense and Security Inc.
Sleeper Protocol
#1782 - 2015-06-18 08:12:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Sophia Mileghere
RetSquid wrote:
What logical reason was there to change the icons?


If there was one, I would also like to know the reason.

But in more than 90 pages with discomfort CCP has not even delivered an argumentation, why a change was necessary.
If there was a logical and understandable reason, nevertheless, it would only make sense if one argues with this reason.
With this reason CCP would maybe have saved itself the big annoyance. Moreover, CCP could better have discussed with us or let me say better: his paying customers.

Because, however, no such argumentation took place, only one conclusion remains:
There was nothing to act and the people had to be occupied.
Lisa Gentilette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1783 - 2015-06-18 09:10:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Lisa Gentilette
Sophia Mileghere wrote:
RetSquid wrote:
What logical reason was there to change the icons?


If there was one, I would also like to know the reason.

But in more than 90 pages with discomfort CCP has not even delivered an argumentation, why a change was necessary.


Quote:
a holistic icon strategy where we make all things in EVE that have a uniquely defined role, function or purpose have their own distinctive icon.

The long term goal is that in the foreseeable future we will no longer see the same item icon for two different modules or other things.

We want to ensure that all items which exists in the game and have a uniquely defined role, function or purpose should have their own distinctive icon.


More here.


What they want is total chaos.
Simple. Big smile
Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
Red Serpent Alliance
#1784 - 2015-06-18 09:29:51 UTC
thank you for the link, Lisa


At least other players care to announce the news ^^


At a first glance .... omfg, lol - did they understand a thing of what was written in the feedback threads????
Cat silth
Diversity 101
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#1785 - 2015-06-18 09:46:50 UTC
I want a simple overveiw is much to ask ? ive forced my eyes to stop looking at the icon and read the ship type as far to confusing trying to remember the differant shapes. come on ccp get grip and do something for it playerbase instead of forcing it on us.
Neovenator
Xynodyne
The Initiative.
#1786 - 2015-06-18 10:02:37 UTC
I want my crosses back. Period.

Groetjes, Neo.

Mein EVE Online Blog: KLICK
Sophia Mileghere
Scandium Defense and Security Inc.
Sleeper Protocol
#1787 - 2015-06-18 10:24:41 UTC
Lisa Gentilette wrote:
Sophia Mileghere wrote:
RetSquid wrote:
What logical reason was there to change the icons?


If there was one, I would also like to know the reason.

But in more than 90 pages with discomfort CCP has not even delivered an argumentation, why a change was necessary.


Quote:
a holistic icon strategy where we make all things in EVE that have a uniquely defined role, function or purpose have their own distinctive icon.

The long term goal is that in the foreseeable future we will no longer see the same item icon for two different modules or other things.

We want to ensure that all items which exists in the game and have a uniquely defined role, function or purpose should have their own distinctive icon.


More here.


What they want is total chaos.
Simple. Big smile


I know this Blog, but these Icons differ partly drastically from those in the game.
The problem is, it was presented something, but was delivered something differently and many people does not like this.
Orm Magnustat
Red Serpent Industries
Red Serpent Alliance
#1788 - 2015-06-18 10:31:39 UTC
uh, I mistook Lisa's link for the new blog that was promised to us..... guess i expected too much speed from CCP Oops
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#1789 - 2015-06-18 11:21:46 UTC
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George Gouillot
MASS
Pandemic Horde
#1790 - 2015-06-18 12:33:22 UTC  |  Edited by: George Gouillot
It might help calming down and have a read that will make you smile: Funny story

Even contains Pandas.
Lil' Brudder Too
Pistols for Pandas
#1791 - 2015-06-18 13:06:53 UTC
Jeven HouseBenyo wrote:
Louanne Barros wrote:
Who cares about the blog post ETA? It's not like we are going to enjoy what it says.

I'm more interested in the fix-the-UI-despite-their-pride ETA.


We'll probably get that Blog up and available before the fix-the-UI-despite-their-pride patch. I'm in the cynical thinking, we'll get that blog just in time for it to be completely buried in the next release blog blasts. So it can be 'shown' as uninteresting to their customer base by lack of views, therefore 'proving' to themselves they were right and we were unreasonable about a 'little' thing like an icon change.

I thought he said that they'd put the blog out after they "dotted the i's and crossed the t's" of their "fix"....which likely means we won't have any say in how anything is changed, because you have seen how well they took the SiSi feedback...and now atleast 3 weeks of this feedback...all for not.

They simply need to eat their pride, and revert this hot mess until they have "fix" ready, then put it on SiSi and actually utilize the feedback, none of which will be mine because by the time that happens my accounts will have lapsed with no renewal. And i'm okay with that, if they want to shoot themselves in the foot some more...fine by me.

New Icon SiSi feedback thread that got wholly ignored!

An example of that a good ship icon set looks like.
Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1792 - 2015-06-18 13:50:12 UTC
Of course when is not in your favor CCP you delete the posts!
Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1793 - 2015-06-18 13:59:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Panterata
CCP Claymore wrote:
Quote:

are you going to reinstate the old icons, even if only as a temporary measure?


The simple answer at the moment is no.

Without going into too much detail as the blog will cover it, we have ideas to simplify the current system from the feedback on this thread and discussions from the CSM.


You answer us simple so we will ask simple again

When we will get old icons back?


"Without going into too much detail as" why we don't like them "we (players) have idea for you to roll them back. If you wish according from the feedback on this thread we can discussing with CSM for you.
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#1794 - 2015-06-18 14:25:46 UTC
Lil' Brudder Too wrote:
Jeven HouseBenyo wrote:
Louanne Barros wrote:
Who cares about the blog post ETA? It's not like we are going to enjoy what it says.

I'm more interested in the fix-the-UI-despite-their-pride ETA.


We'll probably get that Blog up and available before the fix-the-UI-despite-their-pride patch. I'm in the cynical thinking, we'll get that blog just in time for it to be completely buried in the next release blog blasts. So it can be 'shown' as uninteresting to their customer base by lack of views, therefore 'proving' to themselves they were right and we were unreasonable about a 'little' thing like an icon change.

I thought he said that they'd put the blog out after they "dotted the i's and crossed the t's" of their "fix"....which likely means we won't have any say in how anything is changed, because you have seen how well they took the SiSi feedback...and now atleast 3 weeks of this feedback...all for not.

They simply need to eat their pride, and revert this hot mess until they have "fix" ready, then put it on SiSi and actually utilize the feedback, none of which will be mine because by the time that happens my accounts will have lapsed with no renewal. And i'm okay with that, if they want to shoot themselves in the foot some more...fine by me.


Getting to 1800 replies on this thread, the lack of updating from CCP on the meeting notes, the blog, and responding in general is astounding and speaks volumes in it's silence.

After admitting you could keep some sort of contact and updating in better standings, you then continue to... do the same mostly silent stonewall treatment. Oh, you did bring out a forum monitor to delete a couple posts. Yeah, that really lets us know when those meeting notes and blog will be available to your paying customers.

Or do we wait for what's becoming obvious, the Monday or Tuesday few line blerb? A quick scroll on the first page of EVE Information Portal, the only topic with more replies deals with Sov Phase Two. Umm, Houston/Reykjavik, you have a problem. And ignoring it won't make it go away.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
Turandis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1795 - 2015-06-18 15:10:19 UTC
Tears, Tears, Tears.... All I see is people complaining about some so called game breaking change (thats no where close to being that) that's going to make some of you threaten CCP that you will quit playing. Grow up and take the 5mins to learn the new icons. Better yet you could always go on SiSi when these changes are put live there, check them out first hand before they go live...
Di Mulle
#1796 - 2015-06-18 15:19:38 UTC
Turandis wrote:
. Better yet you could always go on SiSi when these changes are put live there, check them out first hand before they go live...


And.... ?
<<Insert some waste of screen space here>>
Steijn
Quay Industries
#1797 - 2015-06-18 15:31:00 UTC
Turandis wrote:
Better yet you could always go on SiSi when these changes are put live there, check them out first hand before they go live...


that just proves you are a troll.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1798 - 2015-06-18 15:38:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Just so CCP people are aware, when I notice a suspiciously positive / fanboyish comment that seems out of place, I compare the character's born date to all the born dates of everyone listed in CCP Alliance and I discover a lot of your alts that way. I keep your posts recorded in the same Excel table as your born dates, and I'm going to write an exposé.

I'm revealing this because I would rather see Devs participate genuinely in forum discussion on their main. As funny as it is seeing Devs try to hide behind alts, unsuccessfully.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Krystyn
Serenity Rising LLC
Controlled Chaos
#1799 - 2015-06-18 16:17:34 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Just so CCP people are aware, when I notice a suspiciously positive / fanboyish comment that seems out of place, I compare the character's born date to all the born dates of everyone listed in CCP Alliance and I discover a lot of your alts that way. I keep your posts recorded in the same Excel table as your born dates, and I'm going to write an exposé.

I'm revealing this because I would rather see Devs participate genuinely in forum discussion on their main. As funny as it is seeing Devs try to hide behind alts, unsuccessfully.

I normally don't like to support a Goon, but it's hard not to support something like this.
Keep it up Rain6637

BTW the new icons are pretty lame except for the wormhole icon that one is pretty good.
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#1800 - 2015-06-18 16:22:31 UTC
Jeven HouseBenyo wrote:

Getting to 1800 replies on this thread


From the same people, over and over again.

Jeven HouseBenyo wrote:

After admitting you could keep some sort of contact and updating in better standings, you then continue to... do the same mostly silent stonewall treatment.


What is there to respond to? The same complaints and threats people keep repeating page after page? They already said they will not go back to the old icons. And to await the blog for more information. Nothing more for them to say.

All those threatening to quit over the icons, put your money where your mouth is and do it. Like Hilmar said during Greed Is Good, they care about what you DO, not what you say. So DO it. No need to post about it over and over again.

-Unezka Turigahl (not a CCP alt)