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Carnyx release - General feedback

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Red Deck
The Tebo Corp
#1761 - 2015-06-17 15:22:30 UTC
Everybody, stop feeding the troll, please.
Steijn
Quay Industries
#1762 - 2015-06-17 15:35:07 UTC
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Lara Divinity
Pidgeon Cartel
#1763 - 2015-06-17 16:19:54 UTC
rio ur just a troll ur not even funny altough u try to be
Grubgrafter
Fortis fortuna adiuvat
#1764 - 2015-06-17 17:08:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Grubgrafter
Have I missed the link to the blog regarding Icons???

Or are CCP still rushing to get it out..(Not)

Evil

Some idea of timescale would indeed be reassuring...
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#1765 - 2015-06-17 17:20:32 UTC
Grubgrafter wrote:
Have I missed the link to the blog regarding Icons???

Or are CCP still rushing to get it out..(Not)

Evil

Some idea of timescale would indeed be reassuring...


+1 to wanting an ETA on that Dev Blog. As dragging it's release out to have it get lost in the shuffle of another mini-expansion release would be counter-productive, sooner is better than later.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
Lantyss
Silver Shield
#1766 - 2015-06-17 17:44:49 UTC
Just finished unsubscribing alt account. Felt kind of ... "liberating." Not a lot of ISK on that account to bequeath to fellow pilots - sorry.

Been reflecting on the current situation and am still absolutely shocked and amazed at the arrogance and blatant disregard of our concerns on the part of CCP Claymore, his cronies, and the incredible Invisible (and silent) CSM. For those of us who are in the process of disengaging from this game, the bitterness and sense of betrayal are palpable! Once we are gone, there will probably be no return. We will find a new home, where we will be more appreciated and respected. The thought of that migration (to another game) makes me wonder if the game media and blog-o-sphere are following this CCP debacle. Perhaps some enterprising space-based game company will begin soliciting EVE players and invite us to their sandbox. Interesting prospect...

I wish the best to all the great EVE pilots whom I have met and to (nearly all of) those who posted here.

Lantyss
Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1767 - 2015-06-17 18:17:21 UTC
Lantyss wrote:
The thought of that migration (to another game) makes me wonder if the game media and blog-o-sphere are following this CCP debacle. Perhaps some enterprising space-based game company will begin soliciting EVE players and invite us to their sandbox. Interesting prospect...
The break is not obvious enough yet. It is not like Incarna, where several thousand players dropped out very soon. There are others who also claim it is the summer hole right now, which may or may not be true. We've seen eve player count rising during summer, instead of dropping. All in all, soon after the rapid patch deployment, we're seeing a gradual decrease, again several thousand players in total. If there are no drastic changes or very good content updates, Winter 2015 will not see it's usual rise but remain flat. At the very latest, this will be the time when we know that things definitely went wrong somewhere.

Something that I do wish for all the players young and old, is that they keep checking if CCP got the message and started to fix things again. I understand you leaving and I wish you the best c: Just keep that eye on the horizon every now and then. Maybe a Ship will appear, and it will be an Eve ship, carrying good news?
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#1768 - 2015-06-17 21:19:34 UTC
Natya Mebelle wrote:
Lantyss wrote:
The thought of that migration (to another game) makes me wonder if the game media and blog-o-sphere are following this CCP debacle. Perhaps some enterprising space-based game company will begin soliciting EVE players and invite us to their sandbox. Interesting prospect...
The break is not obvious enough yet. It is not like Incarna, where several thousand players dropped out very soon. There are others who also claim it is the summer hole right now, which may or may not be true. We've seen eve player count rising during summer, instead of dropping. All in all, soon after the rapid patch deployment, we're seeing a gradual decrease, again several thousand players in total. If there are no drastic changes or very good content updates, Winter 2015 will not see it's usual rise but remain flat. At the very latest, this will be the time when we know that things definitely went wrong somewhere.

Something that I do wish for all the players young and old, is that they keep checking if CCP got the message and started to fix things again. I understand you leaving and I wish you the best c: Just keep that eye on the horizon every now and then. Maybe a Ship will appear, and it will be an Eve ship, carrying good news?



And so it's not going out with a bang, but a slow leak whimper. If the option to use old icons doesn't happen before this last account runs out of time, then I'll check back now and again. Who knows, someone Personage In Charge will realize what's happening to Eve Online, that a combo of 'get used to it' responses to complaints along with the fast track release schedule is doing more harm than good.

No, I'm not jumping on the 'Eve is dying!' bandwagon. However, it does need some serious time in ICU if this keeps up.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
Shuckstar
Blue Dreams Plus
#1769 - 2015-06-17 22:21:30 UTC
CCP Claymore wrote:
Quote:

are you going to reinstate the old icons, even if only as a temporary measure?


The simple answer at the moment is no.

Without going into too much detail as the blog will cover it, we have ideas to simplify the current system from the feedback on this thread and discussions from the CSM.


What a load of crap..

CCP Greyscale wrote:"OK, I've read every post up to page 200, and we're getting to a point in this thread where there's not a lot of new concerns or suggestions being brought up. There will be future threads (and future blogs) as we tune details, but for now I want to thank you for all of your constructive input, and wish you a good weekend :)"

Grubgrafter
Fortis fortuna adiuvat
#1770 - 2015-06-17 23:14:34 UTC
With Icongate and proposed changes to fleet warp I'm extremely concerned in the direction CCP is taking the game now... Its as though they really want to break it...

I was hoping for good things in 2015, but the more I listen and read, the more concerned I get..

Still waiting for Icongate Blog !! With a timeline would be good..
Eke Patang
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1771 - 2015-06-18 00:11:34 UTC
Grubgrafter wrote:
With Icongate and proposed changes to fleet warp I'm extremely concerned in the direction CCP is taking the game now... Its as though they really want to break it...

I was hoping for good things in 2015, but the more I listen and read, the more concerned I get..

Still waiting for Icongate Blog !! With a timeline would be good..


It has the same feel to it as an EU referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.Vote re vote re vote till you get the right vote.
Instead it's SISI feedback wrong feedback,TQ feedback wrong feed back Blog feedback etc etc till the voice becomes a whisper and then it must be ok.

The whisper just means everyone has left the building Sad
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#1772 - 2015-06-18 00:52:42 UTC
CCP Claymore wrote:


*snip!*

We absolutely do care and player feedback has not been discarded, although hands up we could have been better at replying to this thread.

The blog will be both, why we did it, and after reading your concerns and feedback what we plan to do.
We understand that NPC are not distinguishable enough and that is high on our list to improve. We are also looking at drones.

Hopefully the blog will cover your concerns. We will be looking for more feedback like this once we have published it.



Added some underlining so demonstrate an obvious problem bigger than this Icongate debacle. Admission of lack of replies, followed by....

Lack of something so simple as an ETA on a Dev Blog about it!

Consider me very unimpressed. When does that blog go up? EvilAttentionAttentionAttention

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
Phice Anxu
Genetix Research Corporation
#1773 - 2015-06-18 01:25:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Phice Anxu
After removing most of customization capacity of the UI (sliders), after adding serious visual annoyances (the bubble of light at the center of each gate, the change of point of view when you jump) who can discourage some players with eye deficiencies (but heh, it is fancy so...), after a long history of "don't care" about feedback while still calling of it, the price of PLEX who is going up ingame (at 20 € for a plex, no wonder it goes up) making hard to stay for some players, etc...

No wonder that the online counter is going down. Even if we are in summer now, there was better numbers at previous summers...

Personaly, I love play at EVE with a big window (market/industry) opened at all time to hide the visual annoyances of the gates, or alt+tab most of the time. Well... at least, the new icons aren't a problem in my case, I don't see them.

Some of the annoyances can be corrected by options, like the new map who can be disabled to permit a better scanning. The Advanced Audio Settings is an exemple of a great work when they want do it, who made me reactivate the sound engine.

Maybe CCP will finally add options for most of the existing annoyances, one day... It will cost some pride and I know that they are really prideful, but they have to.
Louanne Barros
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1774 - 2015-06-18 01:59:48 UTC
Who cares about the blog post ETA? It's not like we are going to enjoy what it says.

I'm more interested in the fix-the-UI-despite-their-pride ETA.
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#1775 - 2015-06-18 03:01:13 UTC
Louanne Barros wrote:
Who cares about the blog post ETA? It's not like we are going to enjoy what it says.

I'm more interested in the fix-the-UI-despite-their-pride ETA.


We'll probably get that Blog up and available before the fix-the-UI-despite-their-pride patch. I'm in the cynical thinking, we'll get that blog just in time for it to be completely buried in the next release blog blasts. So it can be 'shown' as uninteresting to their customer base by lack of views, therefore 'proving' to themselves they were right and we were unreasonable about a 'little' thing like an icon change.

Another form of cooking the books for spreadsheets and statistics.

Last time I saw this much log book marinating plus shake and bake, was when 18-wheelers in the States could get away with 2-4 time/distance logs in their truck since it wasn't computerized or automated. That way they could blow time on the road restrictions along with cover speeding on those long hauls, still passing the regulation and numbers sniff tests at weight stations.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#1776 - 2015-06-18 03:38:29 UTC  |  Edited by: OldWolf69
They will change nothing. At all. They never did. And never will. No matter how idiotic or pointless the change was.
Actually i bet they stopped reading this after the first 20 replies.
Also they are prolly aware that McDonalds hires all the time, and they can join Greyscale there. So they really don't worry about their jobs.Lol
Torxx Maxx
NemoThrax Mining Inc.
#1777 - 2015-06-18 03:52:04 UTC
I believe the blogs content will be a nicely worded long winded speal about how we will have to learn to live with the bullsh1t icons because of fictitious coding issues or GTFO.. So I chose to GTFO..

My 2003 account dies the 3rd of next month, this one has less than 2 days and one other has less than 24 hours.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1778 - 2015-06-18 05:29:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
Just saw a screenshot of DUST gameplay that featured icons similar to what is in the EVE client now. Didn't realize the two games' UI designs were mated at the icons. I'm inclined to say that was a bad decision, when so many of the items on screen in EVE are the same size or smaller than their icons.

Regarding the dev's earlier question about why people use 90% UI scaling, the answer is easy. They've bought monitors with big dimensions but oversized pixels. They downscale to get the UI back to the physical dimensions of their old 24 inch 1080p monitor, but oversized pixels means aliasing on the pixel hardware level. You couldn't AA that away if you tried.

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RetSquid
Null n Void
#1779 - 2015-06-18 05:29:34 UTC
What logical reason was there to change the icons?
Destrukter
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1780 - 2015-06-18 05:32:53 UTC
CCP Claymore wrote:
Quote:

are you going to reinstate the old icons, even if only as a temporary measure?


The simple answer at the moment is no.

Without going into too much detail as the blog will cover it, we have ideas to simplify the current system from the feedback on this thread and discussions from the CSM.



We don't care about any discussions with your "CSM"... We want our %&$*ing Icons back. Some of us actually like to zoom out and see ships and that is not possible with the garbage you released.