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Carnyx release - General feedback

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Lara Divinity
Pidgeon Cartel
#1721 - 2015-06-16 21:59:39 UTC
Less pretty things more functionality its just that simple how many more complains till it sinks thru???
but no seems like u are all on som special kinda quest wich isnt told to us n we just get blown off no switchin icons is not an option why not?

and seriously we need to wait on another dev blog just to hear more changes on already crappy icons?
why not just be straight up we need these icons because ... why?
we need a different icon for every different asteroid can wreck drone because ... why?
we need to make frigs look like mtu's because....why?
we dont need to make different icons for player n npc ships or concord it dont matter if we recognize it fast enuff because .....why?
we will ask for feedback in a blog n then tottally discard all feedback because ...why?
if players ask for option or reverting to classic we just say no because ....why?

stop turning everything into one big joke

Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#1722 - 2015-06-16 22:02:40 UTC
Orm Magnustat wrote:
Lexiana Del'Amore wrote:
Dear CCP...

Trust me when i say this...

No matter how much you try and polish the turd that is the new Icons you'll only end up with a slightly shinier turd...

Swallow your pride and roll back these unwanted changes...

We shall love you for it.



You took the turd right out of my mouth ... thank you! Ugh


Part of a Jeff Dunham and Peanut skit.

Jeff: They're been renovating, updating, renewing...!
Peanut: Polish a turd, it's still a turd!

Sums up the new icons, along with the shiny pretteh Beta Map that's unusable for much of Anything. At least there we are given that option.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
#1723 - 2015-06-16 22:06:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Eraza
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
Eraza wrote:

Last but not least, thank you CCP, for letting me turn off the new map.
As pretty as it is,(and I really like it for that) it's just not as fast to navigate, and horrible for scanning last I tried..
Thanks for the option :)


I have no issues with the Neocom. And the overview icons don't bother me much either. But using the new map to do my probing... ugh. If the new map were forced on us, I'd probably be unsubbing like many people in this thread.

You know, this makes me think,
if we had options for the icons, and the neocom, there would be no fury over this.
The people that like the new, use it, and CCP can gather much more useful feedback, on those features,
because the people giving feedback, would be a lot more neutral, instead of angry.

At the moment, I find all three new UI features flawed, in similar ways, but notice that I'm not angry, or even annoyed, at the map.
It's an even bigger dealbreaker, in some instances, and yet, thanks to one little tickbox, all my issues with the new map become tiny.

It's probably easier said than done to put that tickbox in, but the feedback on the new map, is a lot calmer isn't it?
And I'm willing to bet, a lot more useful because of that :)
Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1724 - 2015-06-16 22:24:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Natya Mebelle
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
Rats are red, wrecks are not.
You understood little of my post. Please do not try to make interpretations that are incorrect. Player ships are not red. And only because wrecks are not on my overview does not make the old associations go away. Destroyers still are reversed wrecks.

I'm glad you don't have issues with the Neocom and the overview, don't get me wrong. That does not make the problems of a significant amount of people go away though.

I'm still clicking wrongly on Notepad and contracts more often than I care to admit. I understand why the entire monochrome design started, in order to make fancy transparency settings depending on which colour preset was chosen. The conceptual idea in itself is okay, and I got used to most of the new Neocom. That does not mean I liked the fixed coloured images of the old one better. Granted, some of the old images haven't been as great, especially in the station services. I enjoy more space in station panel, but some icons still are weird guesses.

The Neocom and the station overview changes were a sidegrade for me. Some things better, some things worse. The removal of customizable colour themes was a straight downgrade for me. But it was a downgrade I could deal with, since it was not game breaking.

Unezka Turigahl wrote:
Set all player ships to have a background color of your choice. Then you can't possibly get them mixed up with wrecks either.
Why should I clutter my overview with a workaround because the icons are not working as intended? It will not change anything in the long run. And again, you're not connecting the dots correctly here.


Eraza wrote:
It's probably easier said than done to put that tickbox in, but the feedback on the new map, is a lot calmer isn't it?
And I'm willing to bet, a lot more useful because of that :)
This is very true, yes. A lot more feedback came rolling in when they changed the new map to the default map, but people were not remotely as angry as the icon fiasco since they could still revert to the old map.

Imagine with Aegis they would remove the old one completely while doing as little improvement as they did in Carnyx. The outrage would be real.
Hard Carnt
Barney Gumble Combat Club
End of Life
#1725 - 2015-06-16 23:01:27 UTC
CCP Claymore if you do not give at least the option to use old icons i will be unsubbing my 4accounts
Rio Bravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1726 - 2015-06-16 23:22:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Rio Bravo
Why doesn't CCP make several custom EvE's to appease everyone?...that's got to be resource efficient. The client would only be a 5 terrabyte download...

It would contain:
EvE Origional
EvE Classic
EvE Lite
EvE Deluxe
EvE Student
EvE Quafe Edition
EvE Adult Version
EvE Simplified (Old Icons)
EvE Marriage Pack
EvE Jukebox
EvE Sov Limited Edition (Comes with a CCP Fozzie shirt)
EvE Pony Mod (Instead of spaceships we fly multi-colored unicorns)


Roll

“You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. I dig.”  - Clint Eastwood, misquote.
DemetRYS
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1727 - 2015-06-16 23:42:56 UTC
Rio Bravo wrote:
Why doesn't CCP make several custom EvE's to appease everyone?...that's got to be resource efficient. The client would only be a 5 terrabyte download...

It would contain:
EvE Origional
EvE Classic
EvE Lite
EvE Deluxe
EvE Student
EvE Quafe Edition
EvE Adult Version
EvE Simplified (Old Icons)
EvE Marriage Pack
EvE Jukebox
EvE Sov Limited Edition (Comes with a CCP Fozzie shirt)
EvE Pony Mod (Instead of spaceships we fly multi-colored unicorns)


Roll


Or maybe they shouldn't "fix" what isn't broken and do provide a product that their paying customers want to buy. Then they won't go out of business like all the other MMO publishers that didn't care about market demands.
Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1728 - 2015-06-16 23:47:15 UTC
Rio Bravo wrote:
Why doesn't CCP make several custom EvE's to appease everyone?...that's got to be resource efficient. The client would only be a 5 terrabyte download... Roll
No wonder your previous 3 posts full of obnoxious and blatantly wrong content have not received any credit. 5 Terrabyte? What? Current client is 20GB big at worst. So your facts backing up thi-... oh wait. You have none since you have no idea what takes how much space on the disk and fail pretty hard at sarcasm too.

And your previous slandering of Veterans... generalizing them into a giant group of change resistance people by default... not very mature. You are not in a corporation with new players, so you can't really talk about anything in regards to the new icons affecting new players first hand. So please, don't talk about something you have no clue about, thank you c:

I'm curious how many more posts of you will follow where you thoroughly continue to embarrass yourself? I would be placing bets but... that would be just as wasteful as placing bounties.
Rio Bravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1729 - 2015-06-16 23:51:58 UTC
Well, guess my point didn't get across...I enjoyed writing my last post, as much as you all enjoyed reading it....

lol Roll

“You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. I dig.”  - Clint Eastwood, misquote.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#1730 - 2015-06-16 23:53:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Vol Arm'OOO
Rio Bravo wrote:
Why doesn't CCP make several custom EvE's to appease everyone?...that's got to be resource efficient. The client would only be a 5 terrabyte download...

It would contain:
EvE Origional
EvE Classic
EvE Lite
EvE Deluxe
EvE Student
EvE Quafe Edition
EvE Adult Version
EvE Simplified (Old Icons)
EvE Marriage Pack
EvE Jukebox
EvE Sov Limited Edition (Comes with a CCP Fozzie shirt)
EvE Pony Mod (Instead of spaceships we fly multi-colored unicorns)


Roll


No they only need to make one version that people actually want to play. Its prime time USA now and there are less then 20k logged in. It didnt used to be like this. And it is imo no coincidence that declining concurrent users is happening in direct conjunction with CCP's messing with core game play; fixing things that werent broken.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1731 - 2015-06-16 23:53:47 UTC
First, CCP Claymore, thank you for coming back to the thread!


Second:

Rio Bravo wrote:
Not to create friction unnecessarily but...

Guys, it's only icons! You gotta keep improving the game, can't stand still. The problem with veteran players is they get in a rut, can't change. CCP can't rest on it's laurels. Any new player at the moment has no idea what old icons your talking about, they just play the game with what they started with. After all, icons just represent what is actually shooting you, no giant mechanic has changed...and there has been a lot of other quality improvements through out the years...that being said, *ahem* Rorqual...

Think of all this as 'Fozzie-sov' for your mind!

lol Lol


It's not the mechanic, it's the limitations of the human body that this change has run afoul of. We can't change our bodies on a six-week schedule to focus that much more on problematic icons, and furthermore, it's widely seen that even those that can see the icons have not been able to use them as well as the old icons. Many of us have just given up trying to explain that because we thought CCP had set the thread to ignore. CCP Claymore's reply helps correct that perception.

It feels like if CCP were to introduce a change that wiped your hard drive's boot-up directions, that there'd be 'CCP defenders' telling us why we should be happy with that change.P
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1732 - 2015-06-16 23:55:11 UTC
Rio Bravo wrote:
Why doesn't CCP make several custom EvE's to appease everyone?...that's got to be resource efficient. The client would only be a 5 terrabyte download...

It would contain:
EvE Origional
EvE Classic
EvE Lite
EvE Deluxe
EvE Student
EvE Quafe Edition
EvE Adult Version
EvE Simplified (Old Icons)
EvE Marriage Pack
EvE Jukebox
EvE Sov Limited Edition (Comes with a CCP Fozzie shirt)
EvE Pony Mod (Instead of spaceships we fly multi-colored unicorns)


Roll


EVE Quafe Sov Pony edition? (I don't want to know about any Adult Pony version, thank you very much!)
Ex Ira
MSCS Corpore
#1733 - 2015-06-16 23:57:41 UTC
CCP Claymore wrote:
Quote:

are you going to reinstate the old icons, even if only as a temporary measure?


The simple answer at the moment is no.

Without going into too much detail as the blog will cover it, we have ideas to simplify the current system from the feedback on this thread and discussions from the CSM.


Thanks for confirming that you don't care about your customers opinions.
Congratulations, I will not resub my accounts, I'd rather trash my money.

Was fun flying with you all, I hope we meet back in some other game :'(
Two more weeks and then farewell EVE, I hoped it would last for a couple more years.
Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1734 - 2015-06-17 00:09:42 UTC
Vol Arm'OOO wrote:
Its prime time USA now and there are less then 20k logged in. It didnt used to be like this. And it is imo no coincidence that declining concurrent users is happening in direct conjunction with CCP's messing with core game play
While all of the quoted is true, and we even had several thousand players more at the peak counter in the first half of 2014, the highest population since the birth of downtime was always at around 7 to 8 pm eve time. Not midnight eve time, which is more suited in the average counter.
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#1735 - 2015-06-17 00:30:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jeven HouseBenyo
-Segment removed, it did it's job and is no longer needed.-

The icons, for some, are not anything that can be 'gotten used to' due to vision limitations. Unless someone plans to spring for Lasic surgery and a new monitor for all in visual impairment living, a choice of using the old icons would give CCP time to figure out their new design is, for many paying customers, a serious failfit.

If they can roll back an update to return our 'Vanity Titles' in corporation settings, give an option to use the new or old Map, what is so difficult and server space consuming to allow an option on this front??? It's not like this is an entire sub-program to reload.

Pointing to numbers in a usage spreadsheet is cheating when there Are No Other Options. It's like winning a one person drag race. Useless data to back up a wounded pride refusal to give what's needed by the ones paying your bills. Suck it up, admit there was an oopsie in blatantly ignoring the feedback from Sisi, and give that option to use the old ones. Some creative ideas just don't do so well once out in the field. It happens. Not owning it, that's blinders set to 100%. Mebbe 90% if you use that scale.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.
Rio Bravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1736 - 2015-06-17 00:37:09 UTC
I like the Icons. CCP keep them please.

“You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. I dig.”  - Clint Eastwood, misquote.
Rio Bravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1737 - 2015-06-17 01:49:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Rio Bravo
Jeven HouseBenyo wrote:
Friendship is the bestest ship, so let's get some likes to someone that's a little rear end sore he's not racking them up with his snark attempts. Come on, show Rio Bravo some threadnaught luvs, riiiight? Don't want to leave him out of ending up with a target painted on their toon once they login! That's bad form.

If you come to a snark fight, better bring something with more pew than what you've shown thus far.

The icons, for some, are not anything that can be 'gotten used to' due to vision limitations. Unless someone plans to spring for Lasic surgery and a new monitor for all in visual impairment living, a choice of using the old icons would give CCP time to figure out their new design is, for many paying customers, a serious failfit.

If they can roll back an update to return our 'Vanity Titles' in corporation settings, give an option to use the new or old Map, what is so difficult and server space consuming to allow an option on this front??? It's not like this is an entire sub-program to reload.

Pointing to numbers in a usage spreadsheet is cheating when there Are No Other Options. It's like winning a one person drag race. Useless data to back up a wounded pride refusal to give what's needed by the ones paying your bills. Suck it up, admit there was an oopsie in blatantly ignoring the feedback from Sisi, and give that option to use the old ones. Some creative ideas just don't do so well once out in the field. It happens. Not owning it, that's blinders set to 100%. Mebbe 90% if you use that scale.

>Jeven


I don't post for likes. I post when I see people being wierd. People unsubbing and so forth over icons is weird. The whole violin solo of 'please keep EvE wheel chair accessible', is kind of weird too. If you don't have the health to play EvE, maybe take a pottery class and leave our game alone. The 'developers' have to 'develop' the game to keep it young, fresh, and more vibrant as time goes on...maybe get a new pop bottle prescription if it helps you identify ships better. This is not a game made for the vision or comprehension impared. So when I snark, it's in defence of the people who bring us the game, against the people who treat design and dev hours like it's nothing. I am just sick of pouting, conniption birds, tantrums, and kermit flailing over icons. Thought humor might work to demonstrate the absurdity, but maybe the Adderall and Ritalin inhibits people getting the irony, idk...

I keep smiling! Big smile

“You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. I dig.”  - Clint Eastwood, misquote.
Torxx Maxx
NemoThrax Mining Inc.
#1738 - 2015-06-17 02:36:13 UTC
CCP Claymore wrote:
Hey everyone,

Apologies for the silence about the icons but we have been following this thread with great interest.

We have been listening to your feedback and discussing where to go from here. We had a very productive meeting with the CSM last week about the current icon situation and the release of them. There will be a blog coming out once we have dotted the i's and crossed the t's where we will explain why we changed them and improvements we plan to implement from the feedback received on this thread.

Please keep giving us the constructive feedback you have supplied so far.


I'm gonna call that we will forever be forced to use those horrid icons and there will be no option to use the old much better icons so I'm prolly out for good.

The new icons can't be improved they need to go the ph.uck away..!!
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1739 - 2015-06-17 02:43:16 UTC
Jeven HouseBenyo wrote:
Friendship is the bestest ship, so let's get some likes to someone that's a little rear end sore he's not racking them up with his snark attempts. Come on, show Rio Bravo some threadnaught luvs, riiiight? Don't want to leave him out of ending up with a target painted on their toon once they login! That's bad form.

If you come to a snark fight, better bring something with more pew than what you've shown thus far.

The icons, for some, are not anything that can be 'gotten used to' due to vision limitations. Unless someone plans to spring for Lasic surgery and a new monitor for all in visual impairment living, a choice of using the old icons would give CCP time to figure out their new design is, for many paying customers, a serious failfit.

If they can roll back an update to return our 'Vanity Titles' in corporation settings, give an option to use the new or old Map, what is so difficult and server space consuming to allow an option on this front??? It's not like this is an entire sub-program to reload.

Pointing to numbers in a usage spreadsheet is cheating when there Are No Other Options. It's like winning a one person drag race. Useless data to back up a wounded pride refusal to give what's needed by the ones paying your bills. Suck it up, admit there was an oopsie in blatantly ignoring the feedback from Sisi, and give that option to use the old ones. Some creative ideas just don't do so well once out in the field. It happens. Not owning it, that's blinders set to 100%. Mebbe 90% if you use that scale.

>Jeven

Unfortunately your so right, the minority who believe CCP can do no wrong really should be avoided at all costs. They generally offer no feedback other than, CCP is right and we should all be happy.

-- - -- - -- - -- - --
It is a shame everyone who is complaining about the changes in game don't post on the forums - This thread would be a true threadnaught and be hundreds of pages by now. So many players (rightly it seems) believe they have no voice when it comes to changes in the game, at the end of the day CCP will do what CCP wants, regardless of how it affects the player base.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#1740 - 2015-06-17 03:02:33 UTC
Rio Bravo wrote:
Jeven HouseBenyo wrote:
Friendship is the bestest ship, so let's get some likes to someone that's a little rear end sore he's not racking them up with his snark attempts. Come on, show Rio Bravo some threadnaught luvs, riiiight? Don't want to leave him out of ending up with a target painted on their toon once they login! That's bad form.

If you come to a snark fight, better bring something with more pew than what you've shown thus far.

The icons, for some, are not anything that can be 'gotten used to' due to vision limitations. Unless someone plans to spring for Lasic surgery and a new monitor for all in visual impairment living, a choice of using the old icons would give CCP time to figure out their new design is, for many paying customers, a serious failfit.

If they can roll back an update to return our 'Vanity Titles' in corporation settings, give an option to use the new or old Map, what is so difficult and server space consuming to allow an option on this front??? It's not like this is an entire sub-program to reload.

Pointing to numbers in a usage spreadsheet is cheating when there Are No Other Options. It's like winning a one person drag race. Useless data to back up a wounded pride refusal to give what's needed by the ones paying your bills. Suck it up, admit there was an oopsie in blatantly ignoring the feedback from Sisi, and give that option to use the old ones. Some creative ideas just don't do so well once out in the field. It happens. Not owning it, that's blinders set to 100%. Mebbe 90% if you use that scale.

>Jeven


I don't post for likes. I post when I see people being wierd. People unsubbing and so forth over icons is weird. The whole violin solo of 'please keep EvE wheel chair accessible', is kind of weird too. If you don't have the health to play EvE, maybe take a pottery class and leave our game alone. The 'developers' have to 'develop' the game to keep it young, fresh, and more vibrant as time goes on...maybe get a new pop bottle prescription if it helps you identify ships better. This is not a game made for the vision or comprehension impared. So when I snark, it's in defence of the people who bring us the game, against the people who treat design and dev hours like it's nothing. I am just sick of pouting, conniption birds, tantrums, and kermit flailing over icons. Thought humor might work to demonstrate the absurdity, but maybe the Adderall and Ritalin inhibits people getting the irony, idk...

I keep smiling! Big smile


You know things are bad when the fanbois have to come out to white knight CCP's obviously broken stuff

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.