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So... That's the answer we get after nearly 2 weeks of howling for at least an option to use the old icons.

Action: Unwillingness to give your paying customers what's needed, choices.

Reaction: When this account goes inactive at the end of the month, I'll get by with the occasional 30 day Trial account. No more of my cash in your Wallet. My entertainment dollar will go to where it will give a better return with less skull pain and customer service frustration. No more buying Aurum, Plex, or any other CCP product or release.

You win, CCP. It's your sandbox, this relatively new player will leave you to your vanity project just like you obviously want.

>Jeven

PATHETIC

Twitter it. #icongate #tweetfleet #eveonline
Seems that and Reddit gets better results when there's an issue being glossed over to protect the pride of some Dev on a mission to break what wasn't broken and didn't need fixing in the firsties. Got until the first of the month, won't give up until then to get an option to use old icons until 'new' ones are usable without pain medications.

Iteration is a great way to make progress, or to make something new and better. Sure, you have to try things and take risks if you want to progress. Inevitably, many ideas and lots of effort to see that happen will fail - horribly and hilariously. That is the risk and excitement of iteration.

We, the players, challenge you. What works in a controlled environment, or for some group of players, does not for others and produces layers of complaints and rage. If I was a high sec player, or spent most of my time in huge fleets, these icon changes would affect me far less. Here's the challenge; one simple tickbox such that all new icons are 'beta'; just like the map. You can iterate away to your hearts content, and when people finally start using the new ones over the old ones, you will know you will have succeeded, and, in the mean time, not have created a huge amount of friction with your player base.

The sound team gets it. Don't like a sound? No problem!
The graphics team gets it. Good work by the way, looks fantastic!
The New map gets it. It is aspirant yet humble.

This incident and many others give the overwhelming impression that the UI team does not get it. Options, customizability, usability, and get this, real iteration where failure is allowed. You are giving the impression that you will not allow failure, when by definition, iteration includes discarding failures, even if large amounts of time were put into creating it. Projects can and should be allowed to fail; to not allow this is to choke on pride and not understand what makes iteration such a good thing. Crony-Iteration is what we seem to have, as you aren't letting bad ideas fail.

Again, we the players CHALLENGE you to actually use the concept of iteration here, and that quite clearly involves tossing this set entirely, or at least allowing us to use the old one until this is usable. If you really get iteration, you can accept the fact that you may have to start all over again.

I find this extremely insulting. You had mountains of this same exact feedback on the icons when they were on sisi and you asked for our feedback, and said you were listening to it.

Then here you say only now do you see there are "real issues"? Meaning none of us brought up anything valid before or you just blew it off?

Now again you say you are all listening and taking in our feedback. I fail to see how, and why should we trust that this time?

I am sorry I am usually very sympathetic, but time and again, year after year, everytime something blows up in their face CCP says the same thing...

WE SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO THE PLAYERBASE - and
NEXT TIME WE WILL DO BETTER

It's gotten very old.

Under this icon messiness and migraine inducing new setup, it'll be something from either: Space Invaders, Monopoly, Astrosmash, daycare crayon time, or RL Military Stars Bars Rockers Chevrons and Pips. Don't ask which country and branch is the reference, I dunno.

Now to figure out the brainstorm file 'Jita monuments' are under to find the correct cross reference.

>Jeven

ED for me, is good because i grew up with the original on a CBM64 and joined the Kickstarter at a very early stage. However, it is NOT Eve and anyone moving over thinking that it is, could well be disappointed.

I won't complain about any space based game not being an Eve clone. It might be a nice relaxation to not be on hair trigger 'unknown in my personal flight bubble check Bio and security rating and Corp info and kill it with fire!' all the time while playing.

lol. That was a dramatic manifestation of the 2011 'Summer of Rage,' that the current level of protest over this change has not reached. I was surprised when CCP permanently wrecked the monument. They didn't have to. How many companies would cement an acknowledgement of a public relations fiasco into their game, for all time?

I remember the summer of rage indeed.
However I was always disappointed to hear that CCP seems to have thought that incarna was a bad idea.
I quite liked the IDEA of incarna, just.. it promised a whole world, and delivered: one room, microtransaction flavored..
NOT what I expected after the massive hype they had going around it.

Similarly now, CCP has seemed to notice the rising tempers, but I'm really not sure they realize WHY.
I guess that blog post will tell if they understand the reason why we are not happy.
Or perhaps that post will be a huge mess that misses the point entirely.

Here is a small hint: it's a form vs function issue.
The new neocom, new map, and new icons.
All very pretty yes.. but less functional, and much harder to use when you are in a hurry.
My impatience is growing with every one of these "features" that sacrifice function, in order to look better.



Last but not least, thank you CCP, for letting me turn off the new map.
As pretty as it is,(and I really like it for that) it's just not as fast to navigate, and horrible for scanning last I tried..
Thanks for the option :)

Rats are red, wrecks are not. And you should probably already have overviews for wrecks only and rats only anyway. Set all player ships to have a background color of your choice. Then you can't possibly get them mixed up with wrecks either.

You took the turd right out of my mouth ... thank you!