Player Features and Ideas Discussion

What, that people can get fights? If they want fleets to drop on people less quickly, then how about they curb the hilarious speed power creep that has cropped up the past couple of years?

Or would that mean admitting that the interceptor changes were wrong?

I doubt they have a cohesive plan. Interceptor change and mining signatures being changed to anomalies go in one direction, this goes in the other. Bizarre.

I am confirming that Manny confirmed this but not that he was the only one who supported it. That would take a different confirmation.

Yeah, I supported it as well and still do. Yeah the wormhole aspect was discussed and the filthy goon still remembered his roots. No, this is not about killing your specific lifestyle but making people need to be present when playing. At least as far as I am confirmed.

Oh and for the record? Yeah OGB could go tomorrow and I would cheer it on and this from a guy with all the leadership skills done to V.

Be in the game if you be playing the game, yo.

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E: oops

So I'm away for a few days and this happens.

CCP, I can understand your goal of removing the effect combat probing had on snipers, and I agree with it, but this change is absolutely terrible for the following reasons:

It will not achieve your goal of "transferring more responsibility for the success of a fleet from its FC to its members" because FCs will just be forced to dual box a cloaky probe alt to get the warp-in. This will lead to to increased FC burnout as it just adds more frustration to this already tedious role.

It harms mission runners for no reason. People running L4s as a group, or someone multiboxing missions is something that needs to be nerfed? You're just adding frustration to the game.

This will do nothing to bombers. FC will just pilot two bombers: his 'main' for fleet warp command, and his 'alt' for probing/warp-ins. Perhaps if you looked at changing the terrible bomb damage mechanic, bombers wouldn't be such an issue?

This harms small gang roams as FCs w/o the luxury of a cloaky prober alt, will force someone into the role of the 'alt' which is a gloryless, frustrating job that no one wants to do.

This harms WHs because our "gates" (notice this is in quotes Larkin), must be bookmarked because as soon as you leave the system or change ships you lose all your scan results. So just traveling as a group becomes frustrating.

This harms any group that isn't a corp, including NPSI communities, ad-hoc gangs, and alliances. Alliances! These groups cannot share BMs (other than the horribly tedious and frustrating BM copy and jettison method because for some reason our space ships' computers can't transfer this information), and thus have to, yet again, have an alt for warp-ins, or they all get to warp themselves to the previously shared BMs. Cause we all love tedium and busywork in our internet spaceships game!

In any case where your fleet does not have a warp-in alt, but you do have the BMs (such as corporations after waiting the 5ish minutes for the damn things to propagate) everyone will have to warp themselves, which I guess is your goal? But the end result is that we'll have to homogenize our fleets so they warp at the same speed, or use an out of game tool that I'm sure someone will write that gives the timing that ship classes must warp in order to land at the same time. Sounds frustrating and/or tedious.

Are you seeing the theme here?

tl;dr
Doesn't prevent what you want, doesn't get "fleet members more involved", doesn't achieve any of your goals because it can all be bypassed by a cloaky probe alt.
Does add a massive amount of tedium and frustration to a game with a reputation for being tedious and frustrating.

The problem is fleet involvement in nullsec? Then fix fleet involvement in nullsec. This isn't a problem in small gang lowsec, wormholes and your current solution is both a quality of life and a useful feature reduction.

Fixing the problem of nullsec fleet involvement is good. Doing it at the expense of my gameplay isn't. Identify the root of the problem and address it rather than an indiscriminate sledgehammer solution.

I oppose power creep in general just on principle, but if you can't admit that the nano age was a goddamned nightmare, then I don't know what to tell you.

They did identify it and its an issue with every fleet everywhere. Its not like this is hard to adapt to.

I wonder if we make it worse? CCP is renowned for taking critism badly, constructive or otherwise.
If they come up with a horrible idea they will try push it through and bandaid fix it.
If they can't bandaid fix it then they will latch onto the compromise that is closest to their plan, usually suggested by players to reduce the damage.

It seems to be about not losing face. That they have to keep forcing that they are "right" or they might lose morale and confidence.

I probably don't have my finger on it quite right but I think sometimes that we pressure them to be more stupid that usual.
(This is a cut off the nose to spite the face idea.)

I thought you guys couldn't top Phoebe. I was wrong.