Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Harder yes, impossible not at all.

Put a cloaky dude at on offgrid instant bookmark; fleet undock, warp to Cloaky McEyes @ 100. Depending on the final destination, you may need one or two more such alts to complete said gank. I must admit it is a little bit more work and requires more characters, so I hear you there. Every good gank-commander I've known has at least 2 though so i wouldn't expect to see considerably less ganking. I used to warp catalysts directly to undock bookmarks and on top of barges with probes before too...and there is a lot of friction and timing issues with these fleets. Yeah this is a bit dumb.

Actually yeah after some amount of consideration, this is just another railroading of yet another playstyle care of the current meta and bombers.

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This sounds like a back end run to set up a situation by introducing a problem (fleet warp change) that is then restored via an "expedited fleet warp" module only usable by Command BCs/T3s which then conveniently leads into "links now only work on-grid" (because, hey, your BC/T3 is on grid already...)
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"Kill entirely" was an overstatement, I'm aware of this. But some FCs just won't bother any more.

So don't fraking well implement the nerf on Fleet Warp to BM's until you've explored all side effects and taken steps to resolve the issues properly!!

Don't lump this in with fixing whatever issues exist with Bombers.

There's no point in releasing it as you've described it to us thus far, annoying the crap out of what is likely to be a large percentage of your playerbase, only to have to reverse some or all of the damage you've done at a later date, because that will be a huge waste of your time & resources which could've been put to much better use.

I'm all for increasing the level of teamwork & interaction between actual real people, and not increasing the legions of alts & huge fleets made up of huge scale multi-boxer setups (I have no problem with small scale multi-box/multi-client players as I have 2 accounts myself), but please think things through properly and consider the effects on everyone in all corners of New Eden.

I'll very simply say this does nothing to help improve fleet member involvement. This is a horribad idea. Terrible. Worse than jump fatigue. I wish we could get back to patches/changes that made the game more fun or interesting or worthwhile....instead of trying to make things more difficult. That's all that results here.....you are making some aspect of the game more difficult. That's counter intuitive imho.

Dear CCP,

I can understand the benefits this change would have to fleet warfare, but I think there are 2 use cases that will suffer unduly:
1. Micro-fleets, i.e. 5 or less pilots ganging up for beer and bad-assery. Not being able to have coordinated warp-ins to targets of opportunity will hurt this play style.
2. Legitimate multi-boxers. I.e. players with multiple accounts playing Eve on multiple machines or monitors. These are your best customers, CCP. When multi-boxing, fleet warps are absolutely required. Individual warps simply can't be managed by a single human.

In order to address these two use cases I would propose that the intended changes apply to FLEET warps only. Leave SQUAD warps as they are. Squad commanders should be able to warp squad to bookmarks, etc., while fleet commanders can only warp to public objects.

This will allow the above two playstyles to continue without adverse effects and will bring additional benefits:
1. Squad commanders get operational responsibility
2. Squad commanders have a role, apart from 'filling a hole in the fleet hierarchy'
3. Squad command becomes a stepping stone on the path to FC.
4. Provides a better distinction of roles in fleets: FC's can focus on strategic decisions, while squad commanders are more focused on tactical decisions.

I believe this proposal is in line with your objectives of increasing player contribution to fleet operations and will reward those fleets with better organisational and managerial skills, while also opening a career progression path not previously available.

- Ponder

Another question: when the new structures, such as Citadels, come into the game, will fleet warp work with them as well?

This, of course, has become the new way things are done around the office. It's the same principle that is currently strangling eve and causing so many cancellations in the thousands. Nerfing the entire game to stop single individuals or several individuals with "too much power", because certain people with influence at the top lose sleep over it.

It is the cancer killing eve and if it doesent stop, will incrementally cause its collapse. Making nerfs to the entire games player base because of a couple of people.

Welcome, to the World of Warcraft.

Indeed

CCP "We need to nerf ishtars"

*Nerfs all sentry drones*

CCP "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!"


In comparison this nerf is astoundingly specifically targeted. I do find the willingness to make further adjustments to the nerf and the acknowledgement that it is hitting people it's not intended to hit good. I just hope they follow through with tweaking the nerf to be more friendly to those not intentionally being targeted.

Citation needed.