Wormholes

cross post from: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5814028#post5814028


This is a very bad change for wormhole space. I will try to eplain:

Let's say we just found a new wormhole in our homesystem (we either rolled, or we got a random connection w/e). We send out scouts and soon scouts are splitting up as the connections and chains expand.

This image is a fairly common scenario, let's say a scout from corp A is scanning subchain-1 and a scout from corp B is scanning subchain-2. So, all members of corp A have bookmarks for subchain-1 and all corp members from corp B have them for subchain-2 (assuming both scouts use corp bookmarks ofc).

Now, the scout from corp B jumps in to the next wormhole, hit's his dscan and see's npc wrecks and some ships. Our fleet, from members of both corp A and corp B forms up in the home system while the scouts pinpoints their location. Speed is important here, any wrong move, or take to long and they might get scared and move away before we can get there.

The scout finds them and the fleet begins to move. Corp B members have bookmarks, but corp A members to not (remember it was a corp B scout that did the scanning, the corp A scout is scanning a different part). So, you put a corp B member in squad/wing and warp the fleet to all the holes. Corp A makes bookmarks along the way. If we wouldn't be able to do those fleet warps, that means someone from corp B must warp to the next wormhole, land, before corp A members can warp to the next wormhole. This more then doubles the response time of our fleet. By the time we get there, our targets will most likely be long gone.

The only way I can think of to solve that, would be to distribute the bookmarks from corp B to corp A while the fleet is forming up. However, it can take anywhere from 5 to 10 minutes before all bookmarks are propagated for all corp members. By that time, the targets will be long gone as well.

Unless we either get alliance bookmarks, or bookmark propagating becomes instant, this change is ver, very bad for wormholespace.

I hope that made sense...

As a sabre pilot: Good times ahead!

Dear CCP Larrakin

Your change is bad. You bookmark propagation times makes it bad. You whole concept of fleet fights makes it bad.

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If this is to nerf bombers then make bombers unable to fleet warp wtf?

As someone said, if devs keep doing this they better watch out for their jobs.

So a competent fc is gonna need at least 3 accounts now, cool.
But why even post feedback on any possible changes, feedback for the ****** new icons was 95% negative, yet its still here.
Literary all changes for the past year and a half (fuzzy rice) have made this game more and more tedious to play, more time consuming and a lot more effort than its actually worth while not increasing the fun factor at all.
Add something new (not ****** poses that get killed by a 50k sp frigate with a module if you go afk for a week) and stop making everything in this ****** game ****.

EDIT: Fozzie and Rise are very good at their job.

Terrible idea.

This does not fix the root problem and creates atleast 6 more that impacts every single player in this game.

Well - i already posted on the main thread but can't hurt to post here as well

Whilst I agree with the changes from a viewpoint of "intra-combat-warps", especially related to nullsec fights but also when it comes to other areas, the changes that this poses on the day-to-day traveling and scouting routine in a wormhole seem to be mostly ignored by CCP.

I guess i could easily live with this, if you could broadcast bookmarks, so that everyone in fleet can warp to them on their own, which would negate most of the negative effects for mixed-corp fleets and on top enable ordered retreat to a savespot. (Everyone still has to warp themselves, but without this getting mixed fleets regrouped is painfull)

On top of that ofc the good old request - could you finally get us faster sync on bookmarks please (and alliance bookmarks, although the former is more urgent to me)...if corpbookmarks would be instantly available for everyone the effects on the daily travel in w-space would be minimized while not taking anything from indivual actions of a pilot

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Dear CCP, there are no Stargates in wormholes (yet) - in fact we navigate wormholes via bookmarks (in case you forgot - you don't seem to come here often). If you want to make Bombers take longer to get on top of a target that is fine with me (and probably most other people), but please find a different way than taking something away that makes living in wormholes easier.
At present I feel like we could do with some quality of life improvements rather than the opposite, so please consider introducing alliance bookmarks and faster propagation.
But really, the question is: if you want to nerf Bombers specifically, then why not just expempt Bombers from fleet warps?

Putting up much effort to get accurate intel was like cheating anyways.

Dear Corbexx and CCP Larrikin,

I have been in wspace for a couple years now. I solo, I multi-box pvp and pve, I've lead fleets, i've scouted for fleets, I've had lazy fights where i just follow anchor and shoot primaries and I've been in fights where myself and every other fleet mate were as busy as any "solo" pvp'r in any video on youtube. I concur with many of the posts in this thread. I think Phoenix Jones, Trinkets, Chitsa, Jezza, Jack Hayson... they've done a pretty damn good job of explaining just how unhealthy of a change this will likely be for those of us who choose to make wspace our primary playground and even our home. Please give serious consideration to their posts.

From the 'other thread'-

"The goal of these changes is to encourage more individual fleet member participation and reduce the speed at which fleets can get on top of targets (e.g bombers)."


Ok, cool. That sounds like a great thing to me. I'm sure most people in Eve want the first part at least (more individual fleet member participation). Great! There's our collective starting point. The counter ideas or alternatives the gentlemen in this thread have suggested are very interesting, especially letting only the squad commander warp their squad. That one.... that one stands out to me as a concept worthy of at least bringing up with other devs and CSMs.

Thanks for your time,
-Kyle

PS- These changes, if they go through, will not push me to unsub. Nah. But i gotta say that as I read the dev post and saw what was actually being proposed.... for the first time ever I did consider it for a fleeting moment. It was an emotional response, like so many others in this thread are experiencing.

PSS- Do you guys just really like pissing wormholers off in the Summer? ;)