Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The CSM argued for it.

All i can say is this:

CCP up to 2 years ago: BIG promo run to have people fly multiple accounts.
Now: they say: its great, run multiple accounts everybody! BUT, we will totally KILL ANY mechanism that allows you to properly do it.

Don't know why i stick with eve anymore. Over the passed years they are going in the direction of world of warcarft. Killing all cool stuff for us veteran nerds and making it more accesible for noobs and mainstreamers. i Get it, but it doesnt mean i like it.

I heared nobody support this so far. Nobody. Okej maybe a forrest troll in the dungeon of his mother with no friends said he liked it, but besides that creature. Nobody.

Just putting it out there.

sometimes you really wish you could down vote people. Ever ran a small gang with a CS fitting a link or two while also being combat fit?

warping to WWW's in fleet CAN BE a fleet warp, as the pilot in fleet is public and this will not stop that from being a fleet warp

In general I stay pretty open minded about change in this game... and in general I've been able to get behind the significant changes Sov, etc.

But this one... ugh.

A few thoughts:

1. I understand what you are trying to do by getting more involvement in individual fleet comps/ members. And I'm sure it sounds great in a brainstorming session. But in practice this is going to be a disorganized mess for fleets that aren't composed of seasoned vets. And most peeps are not seasoned vets. As an FC, it's hard enough to get people to read pings, get in the right ship, not lemming, shoot the primary, etc. etc. FC-ing can be a game of herding cats. This just adds one more significant layer to that and will likely just make it a hassle for FCs to deal with rather than act as any kind of real inspiring game play. I mean... have the people that came up with this idea ever actually run a fleet?

2. This change feels rushed and feels like an afterthought. Like, you were sitting around last week brainstorming, worked yourselves into a lather about this idea, and started pushing it out the door. Not exactly consistent with your track record of late of announcing changes well in advance and at least prep-ing peeps, etc.

3. There are some practical scenarios that I think you need to think through:

- Warping to gates or warping fleet to gain tactical advantage at celestials/ pos-es/ stations/ etc. without warping into a bubble or a death star or a brawling fleet of doom. Sure, I could use skilled & prepared inty pilots or I could use an alt with combat probes and drop www's in fleet. But likely any fleet with inexperienced members is going to result in a piece meal/ disorganized mess. Not exactly fun. And when you do land at a perch above a gate and wait for the stragglers and then anchor up what then? Do it again on grid? Rinse and repeat (especially against kitey doctrines that will likely just pick off straggler after straggler.

- I suppose you think that over time people will start getting into smaller gangs/ smaller fleets that are easier to control and that are less susceptible to the results of this change. But I think the truth is - at least in the interim which could be quite a while - you're going to lose people who want to FC and members who want to fleet up because it's more hassle than fun.

4. How 'bout you get Fozzie sov implemented in it's entirety - including the time zone scaling - before you start messing with other mechanics? I'm sure you have different teams working on different things and think it's a separate issue from your point of view. But from a member point of view it screams "we haven't implemented what we said we were going to implement with Fozzie Sov but here's a new change for you..." Not a very good perception tbh.


By all means... tilt the field toward more small gang action. We need more small gang stuff. Keep working to break up the power blocs if you think that's a healthy change. But use game mechanics that are actually fun rather than beat FCs in the head with a stick. And I also don't think attempting to completely eliminate large fleet battles is very wise. I mean... you did get a spike in subscriptions after B-R right?

Double post.

Yes but back in the day™ ship warp differences were essentially negligible. This is no longer the case.

Moving mixed compositions becomes a chore. To what gain? Why the heck should I need to put a preliminary ship out somewhere JUST to make sure the mixed fleet doesn't land minutes apart, or have stragglers waiting on grid to initiate a late warp?

It's broken.

Putting you first on my ballot wasnt wrong
I'm a bit biased because i dont care about wormholes other than for travel, but this change seems to have way more upsides than downsides in my opinion.

Now CCP, do something about offgrid boosting and i'm one happy customer

You can still warp the fleet to a player.

Welcome to Bookmarks Online, the new game where you make a spy that deletes Corp bookmarks, so the Fleet he isn't even in can no longer warp to its destination. You know that safe spot the FC made, doesn't work. You know the POS warp-in location to avoid the bubbles, doesn't work, yadda, yadda, yadda.

What problem is this change trying to fix, as it strikes me that this is someone's personal vendetta and not a strategic decision for the future of the game, as well as being the stupidest thing I've seen from CCP in along time? The consequences haven't been thought through, which implies it is a knee-jerk reaction and not the results of planning and debate.

Bookmark deleting spies aside, a single large corporation fleet now has an extra advantage over a similar sized alliance or coalition fleet, which is exactly what this game DOESN'T NEED.