Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Weren't you elected to instill positive changes for a majority of the Eve Community? Or am I just being fickle thinking the CSM is supposed to do that.... I mean honestly. Didn't you guys take into consideration the myriad of problems this creates for people? Even if the intentions were good, the execution is utterly terrible. I mean really terrible.

Can't you guys come up with something better than this? I mean besides terrible icons and super skins for only half the titans at 35 USD a pop....

Dark Razer Please!

So you realize the FC is just going to have to login another client to fly a specific ship to constantly make warp ins so he can fleet warp his fleet. If the actual outcome you were hoping for was to slow fleet movement down across the board then you have succeeded.

Wormhole standpoint: This a huge quality of life hit. This will affect us wormholes every single day in every fleet. What is the benefits to this game mechanic? What is the game design change or reason this is a good idea for wormholers?

A few activities in wormholes this is going to negatively affect.

• Chain Static Collapsing (Rage Rolling) will be slower.
• Jumping into a new wormhole that has capitals running sites, the prober is going to have to combat the caps then warp to them, then have the dictor wait and warp to the prober. Its unnecessary amount of extra time that the hostile caps have that they can escape.
• Safe fleet movement through wormhole chains is going to be slower. You're going to need to have a worthless interceptor moving in front of you so the FC can fleet warp to that pilot to safely move and not leave straglers. That inty pilot could be in a useful ship. What is more likely going to happen is the FC is going to be dual boxing that second client himself to insure the validity of the warpin, and increase the speed of the warp in so he doesn't have to waste time confirming the warpin is ready

There are so many combat situations I can think of where this is just going to be annoying and slow down gameplay. Did you think about that? Increasing the time of doing boring things like waiting for a warpin?


If you want a useful "fleet warp" game design change I've got one for you: allow the fleet FC to flag a fleet member with the ability to fleet warp, so I don't have to drag my links out of Wing to move myself into Wing then warp, then move the pilots back.

I do not mind the fleet warps changes to public items but not being able to fleet what to probe results is a nightmare for me. Its slowing fleets down to much. Its hard enough alot of the time to probe something down in system then to try and warp to it with one ship for the fleet to follow. You are never going to beable to catch that fleet rolling safes ever again. which means there's less pvp going on.

I understand the need to slow bomber wings down / get people more interactive in fleets but come on CCP you can do much better then this... like by restricting ship types fleet warping to probe results?

There we go with the "majority" thing again. Length of forum thread does not dictate popularity due to the low patronage of the forums. This argument cheapens the position of anyone using it. You've also used the "content" word again, which is another loaded phrase. Thinking of Eve in terms of "content" puts blinkers on your ability to converse.

I've given plenty of positive effects associated with this change -- the castration of the bomber meta, the potential revitalization of shield ships, increased effectiveness of travel interdiction, increased fleet roles for interceptors/covops, a higher skill ceiling for eve. If you don't like any of these, that's fine, but I find them to be overwhelmingly positive.

You do realize this does nothing to those fleets but hurts the smaller ones way more? Starting with the fact that the almost all big groups are in one corp only and will have access to corpbookmarks from the initial scout.

What this change does is it kills NPSI fleets., esp in wormholespace. Have fun giving everyone in fleet the bookmarks beforehand. Multiple people from the same corp in fleet might help not a bit since they need to have corproles for bookmarks.
This is especially true in wormholespace where you need a ****-ton of bookmarks just of the holes.
Flying through a big system or even thera? "FC, call me in 5 minutes when you land so we can warp too"
Forgot to copy one of the bookmarks? well, sucks to be you.
Someone went the wrong way? You are stranded alone until someone comes back to get you. OFC that will polarize this person and force it to do nothing for 5 minutes and be left behind.
Corpbookmarks haven´t updated yet? Well, see you in 5 minutes.
You found someone in a sig you do not have a bookmark for? Combatprobe him down and hope he is still in there not just by the time you warp there, but everybody warps to you too. You better scanned in a tanky T3 and not came through one of these great only-the-smallest-of-ships wormholes. Also huge boost to WCS, everybody love those.

As enough people have stated it also really hurts group PvE that isn´t anomrunning. Bestcase it double the traveltime (superfun with the most popular PvE ships being BS sized), worstcase "have fun tanking the site alone for 30 sec until our RR gets here too".

For PvP this is a huge boost to kiting. You get a cloakyprober next to a kitingfleet, by the time your buddies land near you the kiters have made at least another 10km and are out of webrange. You use a noncloaky to keep up with them, free killmail thanks to the addition of RLMLs.

Things will never warp at the same speed, tackle lands and gets faceraped, logi lands and looks stupid, mainfleet lands and is in exactly the same position as pre-warp. And then land the capitals and ask themselves why te grid is empty. Unless you are flying ishtars, T3s or mordus´ ships, because all of those are so little used anyways compared to BCs and BS who get shafted again. Oh, and you better hope everybody has all lvl5 navigationskills, if you FC some new players you will be out of warp long before they are.

It takes away the homefield advantage of FCs with 20+ tacticals around every gate in the homeregion. Good and bad at the same time but again a huge boost to kiting.


Again, this change only supports blobbing and excessive use of multiboxing, like so many other changes we have seen lately.




And again, lowend residents get the shaft because C5/6s. "Potential profitability" with nanoribbons creeping around 2M a piece...
Warping to fleetmembers 0 on a hole needs them to be decloaked, let´s also anounce it in local, just in case they do not have a scout out. Sneaking up on someone in a site only works if it is not littered with asteroids, LCOs, huge gasclouds or just sleepers spawning and burning around.
This change effects 5 man escalationfarmers NOT AT ALL, it is even a boost for their security.

Your capitals, maybe. Mine warp faster than cruisers.

Bombers are too inexpensive for this to be viable. Use a bomber, then warp to a pos or a cloaked carrier to swap out your bomber for one lacking the reload/activation timer.

fake edit: CCP GREYSCALE PLEASE ADD BOMB FATIGUE

Oh this is just too cute. If this is the fruits of the CSM's labour which is nothing but self posturing and positioning to bend CCP's ear then I have no interest. Period.

+1 for BOMB FATIGUE

You are the one constantly coming back and trying to twist a Tolkien like description of the meaning meta to say you don't like bombing runs. It's utterly hilarious.