Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Delegate how? Please enlighten us on HOW delegating an unbroken mechanic is a GOOD thing. Please show us ALL why these changes are positive. All you are saying is that for the sake of increased effort and annoyance these changes are positive. That's your entire argument.

I've given context to several points that are true and backed by CCP's track record. Not to mention the aforementioned negative these changes create toward players wallets, player time, FC time delegation, fleet positioning, target elusion including low sec targets.

It's all there! But please show us on your MLP figurine where the bombing run touched you. I'm generally curious.

I'm really starting to worry you are starting to make this game to safe for people. A lot of changes have take some of the more fun mechanics of the game. I mean agree with a lot of them like the removal of Skynet and using multi-command programs. However Pulling of power out of an FCs hands... I dunno personally, I guess for me it's a wait and see.. much like Fozzie sov.

You delegate the task of creating warp-ins to players in covops or interceptors. See the "I Was There" trailer for a fairly decent dramatization of this oddly foreign concept: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSxSyv4LC1c

The changes may be annoying to you and the crutches upon which you rely to play eve, but they're positive for the game as a whole. Adapt.

For those of you who still think this is a good idea, I'll describe in detail how this completely breaks w-space.

My underlying concern here is that these changes will create a close to uncatchable ratting meta.

When rolling your w-space static, It is already hard enough to catch people ratting. When ratters see new sigs on their probe scanner they leave the sites they are in to PoS up until the sigs are scanned down. This means smart active pilots are already difficult to catch. However not all pilots keep their probe scanner open, but most watch d-scan and keep alts cloaked off known wormhole connections.

Currently d-scan is not too big a issue for hunters who connect to new holes as ratters will almost always be at a site still on the anomaly list. This gives us a chance to catch them with off-d-scan tackle(cloaky or recon) as the rest of the fleet waits for initial tackle. However if they are on the last wave of a site, combat probes are needed which are very obvious on d-scan. This is still not an issue currently as a fleet warp can get fast tackle to the target, giving the fleet a chance of catching the prey.

Now lets imagine things with the new system in place. Its will still be very possible to catch ratters in anomaly on scan. But in the second situation, the combat scanning ship is the only ship that can attempt to tackle the ratter (in a reasonable amount of time before the ratter notices the new sig on scan/ or combat probes). Naturally this would make T3's the only capable ship of probing cloaking and tackling ratters in. Unfortunately the current meta is to rat while sitting on a mobile depot with a full rack of stabs in your cargo bay. With only 1 ship being able to land during the first critical minute of opening a hole, it makes ratting battleship in the last wave of a site near impossible to catch.

Well at least we can still catch the majority of the ratters who are still in anomaly on scan right? Wrong! If this change goes through pilots are just going to pop all the wave triggers as soon as they get into the site and bam, they are off the anomaly list, and can feel safe knowing they have a chance to see probes on d-scan and have at least an additional 30 seconds to notice the new sigs on their probe scanners before having a fleet land on top of them.

So I haven't really been able to play recently. :( so I cant really test this. But can you warp to missions at range without useing a fleetwarp? I am recalling you can't.

Before the probing buff years ago all of eve was played this way. It was for more entertaining and things like sniper hacs and hit and run fleets actually worked because 50 inteceptors wouldn't be on you in 10s.

No you cannot. And that's another stickler. Not being able to warp at range risks you getting stuck on a beacon and killed. That's why squad warps by alts are essential. I've seen people die first hand getting stuck on a mission beacon.

Mixed feelings:

More participation by individuals in fleets is always good. One day we might even see the last of: "Everyone fire at single target" tactics, to something that's more strategic and fair.

But removal of bookmarks/scans/sites with fleet warps seems like a step backwards. Can't fleet members just continue to use corporation bookmarks? Thus bypassing the need to use fleet-warp. CCP Im not convinced, maybe you could give us some example scenarios?

Regardless, I think the concept of "bookmarks" is an old idea that I would prefer to be removed. I don't mind players saving names, stats and general locations of an area - and sharing that information. But a specific pin-point spot is OP.

I would prefer a totally new system of warping to areas, one that comes with a lot more freedom for pilots - but also new risks to balance the freedom. Naturally I think such an over-haul goes directly to each ship and almost every module. But I'm not concerned about that, if the result is a much more fun and fair game to play.

You still fail to give any of us here a positive answer why these changes are GOOD. Picking apart my posts is fine, but trying to tear at my argument from one angle isn't going to get you anywhere. There's also the issue of grid placement, targets getting away, fleet separation due to warp speed variations, survivability of the on grid warp in, landing on different grids due to mechanic issues, fleet movement during travel, squad warping at missions at range due to beacon issues, probing and tackle becoming nigh impossible for hunting low sec supers, designated "tackle" and possible fleet warp in DC'ing in Tidi leading to a fleet spread and out of place etc etc.

I can go on and keep giving reasons and possible issues with just one facet of these changes. But please go on about how it's clearly my misunderstanding or "lack of game skills" or my "alliances leadership" as your means for justification as to why your argument is valid.

Is this broken? Why have you changing the fleet warps mechanic?
Sigh,its total hit for my probe launcher. Know what,make the ****** new map mandatory instead of killing fleet warps. That one i can handle with some pain.