Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i think CCP should implement this change slightly differently. instead of not allowing fleet warp at all, they should make sure that only those who can warp to the particular object themselves, will enter warp, the rest of the fleet stays.

so with corp bookmarks - only members of the corp would warp, with scan results - only the prober etc.
this would make for far more interesting game play, although i suspect will be much harder on resources to determine who can and cannot warp.

The last words some people ever hear.

This feels like a change aimed at a few particular aspects that comes with a ton of collateral damage. This does not make the game more fun for me, so I hope it does for other people.

Good changes -- I'm mostly in favor of them. I am concerned about the knock-on effects regarding un-probe-able ships, however. How concerned about them I am depends on whether or not a Rokh can hit a tengu, which is something I'm too lazy to check right now. :V

Offgrid boosters that can't be probed down except by heavily bonused and implanted covops ships are also a problem, but it is common knowledge that this won't be handled until the Destiny rewrite is finished, so I guess we have to suffer with it for now.

Are you being deliberately obtuse? Learning to command and lead takes time, knowledge and experience. Delegation is part of it. As a leader myself I know that to delegate a task, the person delegated must be able to do it. Hence newbros are mostly out of frame foe these tasks. Learning when and what to delegate is harder than it seems as well. A PL fc with a gang of bitter vets will not suffer under these changes. A gang of 1 week old BNIs had a chance before if their fc could lead them well. That just evaporated unless the FC has a core of vets to assist them.

This change is a massive restriction to content enablers. Something CCP in the past has acknowledged they have done in the past is make things hard for these people. So why this change? Apart from it giving Manny a throbbing CSMrection, it has already made life a prospective hell for wormholes and Malcannis Law doesn't apply at all as this clearly isn't intended to help newbies. In a game in which social interaction is key, a change aimed squarely at emphasising small gang, elite gameplay shouldn't be championed by the CSM or the devs at all.

The thing about this change is that so many kills would never have happened with these mechanics, and I don't mean bombing runs. Bombing runs should be addressed directly, stop trying to kid yourself that they're the result of anything except a class of ships which can fit covops cloaks and launch area of effect weapons with a timed fuse. If you don't like the extremely asymmetric pvp that creates, change bomb launchers, the hull or both, not a crucial mechanic for every FC in all space, even where bomb launchers can't be activated.

Or, you know, we don't and instead wait for other changes to occur first before throwing the most core aspect of EVE's gameplay (travel) into the blender for the benefit of making bombing more difficult and making pilots "more engaged" in fleets.

Are you familiar with the fact that different ships warp at different speeds?

Random unsolicited, unread probing suggestion:

Make how hard a thing is to probe a function of strictly signature radius. Use sensor strength to affect how long it takes to actually act upon the results.

This would turn probing into a two-pass process: the initial probe scan would reveal the targets. However, for 100% results, the result would not be immediately actionable. For 100% results, a timer bar would automatically tick down a delay based on the ratio of sensor strength to signature radius of the target. Once the timer bar elapsed, the probe result would be eligible for warping.

(This could be implemented by sending a timestamp along with the probe results, describing the earliest time the 100% result was actionable. UI fanciness could dress this up with the delay bar/etc.)

The idea here is to make ECCM still affect how difficult it is to be probed, without turning it into an essentially binary toggle on whether one can feasibly probe you down or not.

Your point?