Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It´s a step in the right direction.

Might promote roles of fleet probers/scouts/inties for giving warpins. Also there would be additional room for people to screw up if they don´t pay attention (which is a good thing).

Combat probing isn´t as ridiculously oversimplified anymore. Also an indirect nerf to badly executed and Isboxer bomb runs. The only issues i see are actually WH related.

Now remove anchoring, fleet warps in general and drone assist an we are golden.

I had the emphasis on new players and FCs for a reason. But sure, making the game harder and more boring is an improvement correct?

What a Stupid Change！
You should make EVE
more and more coollllllll !!!
not more and more stupid !!!

I will unsubscribe if you make this change happen
Because you are no longer selling a product I am interested in purchasing.

You're right. Kill mails must die.

FWIW I am pushing to see unprobeable™ ships destroyed as a thing forever. I have suggested to CCP that they limit 1 eccm per ship hull. But however allow people to fit as many remote eccm's as they want. That way you could still achieve really high sensor strength. However you would first have to land , lock , activate the module. During this time those ships are all very probeable.

IKR

I'm not really sure what the intended consequences of this change are meant to be. If it is to hurt bomber wings, then I don't really see it achieving that, as bomber wings can still just warp individually to a corp bookmark.

If the effect is to make probers have more to do, then I guess it will achieve that, as they will have to warp to the target which they just probed down, whereas before they could just fleet warp the squad. So in effect this is a nerf to combat probing; I didn't realise that was required.

Other than annoying mission runners and wormholers, I'm not sure what else this will practically achieve, although it is pretty late so hopefully the wisdom of this decision will become apparent tomorrow morning. *chuckles*

Also bear in mind, fleet warp is a very nice feature in the game, and I'd want you to head more in the direction of making fleet management more complex with more fleet tools at our disposal. A lot of people who see a fleet warp for the first time are blown away by how inspiring it is to see the fleet warp and then land in sync with each other.

https://youtu.be/yFTUazuGdTw?t=1m58s

Then we'd just need collision damage .

Well....I am displeased....

I have a feeling that this is going to get a lot of criticism because it changes the major game mechanics that we have all grown to love. Could be interesting.

I also have a feeling that this is going to make FC'ing for public fleets (which is what groups like Bomber's Bar, Redemption Road, Spectre Fleet, and pretty much any NPSI group) an absolute pain in the rear end as far as maneuverability goes. Fleet warping across already-scouted systems will be easy, since nothing is going to change, but it's really going to make running from other fleets a lot harder when you have stuff in front of you. And disabling scouts by forcing them to sit at tacticals for people to warp to/for the FC to warp to.

Example: Say you have a group of 30 T1 & T2 frigates/dessies roaming Curse/Catch/Provi. At any given time, your scouts could report that there's a drag bubble on a gate. Previously, you could warp the entire fleet to a ping off the gate. Now, you either have to get a "public warpin" that may or may not be aligned with the bubble, your scout has to do more work (and thus giving your fleet less information) in finding a "publicly-available" un-aligned celestial body OR sitting there for the whole fleet to individually warp to. That's easily fixed by the players.

But let's say, the same fleet gets intel from a +1 scout that an enemy gang of 50 T3 cruisers just jumped into system and is warping to the other side of the gate that you're sitting on. In the current system, an FC would simply warp their fleet up to a tactical and wait out the gang. In the proposed fleet warping situation, either we need more scouts (which are spread out farther, for a better information network) or we sit at tacticals all the time. Then, each fleet member needs to individually warp up to a "tactical holder" player. I know under the current system, as a new FC, I've been able to save fleets from a firey death at the hands of a PL T3 gang by simply fleet warping everyone up to a tactical seconds before a bubble managed to go up on the gate by a sabre.

It's much more complicated, and it makes a coordinated FC agressor able to take out unprepared fleet members. I kind of like it because the entire fleet needs to pay attention, not just the FC, but it does raise some questions about the new player experience and how "fast" a newbro can actually get into fleet battles. This encourages every member of a fleet to be on their toes, paying attention to recon, and I like that idea. But with extended ops, I feel like this might prove a hassle. Guess we'll just have to see where the meta of fleets swing with this new change.