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[AEGIS] Fleet Warp Changes - Please see devblog!

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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
#241 - 2015-06-12 01:52:07 UTC
Well this is going to be annoying.

Occasionally I'll fleet up with a noob and take them around to hisec combat sites. Having to now warp in first, then tell them they are clear to warp to me, then wait for them to land... May not seem like a big deal. But the extra process and wait for every single site is probably enough of an annoyance to make me just not bother anymore.

Also, running missions occasionally for standings was already making me want to shoot myself. Now having to wait for alts to land, or just single-boxing them... ehhhh to hell with it.
MrBrookes
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#242 - 2015-06-12 01:54:27 UTC
How bout squad warp, let us have squad warp, atleast then the multi's of the game can have fun as usual.
Budrick3
Moira.
#243 - 2015-06-12 01:58:08 UTC
Manfred Sideous wrote:
+1 this is a excellent change that will help to open up combat/fleet tactics. I supported and pushed hard for this.


Good luck getting re-elected.
Beidorion eldwardan
Tactically Armed Vanguard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#244 - 2015-06-12 02:01:02 UTC
i was going to make a post trying to reason with you but after having read the general attitude of your posts i will do as you want me to

sit back and decide if i want to " be a good costomer and pay my subs and shut up when fozzie ( would have called him what we normally do but you are somewhat sensitive about that ) or if i will start scaling down on how many chars i will keep.





Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#245 - 2015-06-12 02:01:37 UTC
Budrick3 wrote:
Manfred Sideous wrote:
+1 this is a excellent change that will help to open up combat/fleet tactics. I supported and pushed hard for this.


Good luck getting re-elected.



I think he will do OK :)
Kazaheid Zaknafein
Zaknafein Tactical Reconnaissance
#246 - 2015-06-12 02:01:50 UTC
And thus ends the days of shepherding noobs in fleets around eve.
KanmanDS
235MeV
#247 - 2015-06-12 02:04:06 UTC  |  Edited by: KanmanDS
Everyone else has already clearly illustrated the grossly negative impact this change will have on nearly all aspects of game play. This is so clearly the worst decision CCP has made in years, that it all boils down to this single sentence:

If you make this change, I will unsubscribe, because you are no longer selling a product I am interested in purchasing.
Gyges Skyeye
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#248 - 2015-06-12 02:06:52 UTC
This restriction will need to be taken outside behind the barn and shot for things that are on grid. Otherwise it becomes a huge nerf to brawling when you have to first warp one person onto the enemy fleet then warp the rest of the fleet to them. Given the tendency for kitey, damage projecting ships (including sentry drones) to run this current meta, I don't think that brawling builds need this kick in the nuts to their power level right now.

This is the only real flaw I see to this change from a combat perspective.
_____

From an out of combat perspective,

As has been stated above I echo in vernacular "Dude, why the f-ck are you adding all these unnecessary steps to warping a newbro to a site, or doing an escalation with a friend. People carpool for a reason in the real world. Don't make us take our own damn vehicle each time."
kingtuttut Badasaz
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#249 - 2015-06-12 02:09:25 UTC
Didn't really mind the jump fatigue changes. The icons got me a little mad but these new changes are hands down the worst EVE update/patch I've ever seen
Aniya Blaze
Shenanigans Ltd
#250 - 2015-06-12 02:13:09 UTC
RIP good Fc's. Eve's a hard enough game to get into as it is and here you are making it more difficult CCP.
Crazy Candy
Zero Fun Allowed
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#251 - 2015-06-12 02:14:13 UTC
Probably the dumbest thing I've ever heard of tbh

If you wanna nerf bombers, go ahead. Maybe make it so these changes only affect cloaked ships or whatever. But flat out expecting FCs to manage 200+ man fleets with these changes is one of the most absurd things I have heard of.
Manfred Sideous
H A V O C
Fraternity.
#252 - 2015-06-12 02:15:09 UTC
Budrick3 wrote:
Manfred Sideous wrote:
+1 this is a excellent change that will help to open up combat/fleet tactics. I supported and pushed hard for this.


Good luck getting re-elected.



I am not a politician. I am not here to kiss anyones ass. If I run and I don't get re-elected so be it. I support measures , mchanics , changes that will make eve more exciting more dynamic more balanced and more deadly. Destruction is the lifeblood of Eve. Nearly every profession and activity in Eve is fueled by things exploding. More explosions means people in space doing things playing the game. More interaction which is the foundation of a MMORPG.


I'LL GIVE YOU DEATH AND YOU WILL LOVE ME FOR IT.

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Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#253 - 2015-06-12 02:17:29 UTC
Kenneth Feld wrote:
Budrick3 wrote:
Manfred Sideous wrote:
+1 this is a excellent change that will help to open up combat/fleet tactics. I supported and pushed hard for this.


Good luck getting re-elected.



I think he will do OK :)




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The Graduates
#254 - 2015-06-12 02:19:26 UTC
Making Eve more tedious to play is not a step in the right direction. There is a saying about throwing the baby out with the bathwater... That is what you have done here.

As someone who has been multiboxing for years, you have been making it harder and harder for me to justify keeping multiple accounts. I know some will cheer for this, since they think multiboxing is cancer for Eve, but the reality is that it is Eve's life support. As it currently stands, let's say I am moving three battleships and a scout through 0.0. I move the scout as plus 1. The other three get squad warped from gate to a bookmark ping. I don't warp gate-to-gate because a lot can happen when you warp slowly across a 50 AU system, so gate-to-gate warping is not an option. So, now, to move, instead of squad warping my alts, I have to manually warp each one to a saved bookmark - or have another alt waiting on each out gate ping so I can warp to him. You are just making a slow and tedious game more tedious.

Not to mention that it will make being an FC even less fun and more tedious. Way to get rid of content creators and leaders...

I have already cut from seven accounts to six. Cutting from six to two would be easier on my wallet and less tedious. The only thing that has kept me from that is that I have eight years invested in my team and I'm pretty attached to them. It might be easier to just move on altogether.

I don't know what your actual goal is with this game. It seems to me that announcing WHY is a good idea.

PS - no, you cannot have my stuff. And I am sure my tears are delicious.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Miner Hottie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#255 - 2015-06-12 02:19:34 UTC
Manfred Sideous wrote:
Budrick3 wrote:
Manfred Sideous wrote:
+1 this is a excellent change that will help to open up combat/fleet tactics. I supported and pushed hard for this.


Good luck getting re-elected.



I am not a politician. I am not here to kiss anyones ass. If I run and I don't get re-elected so be it. I support measures , mchanics , changes that will make eve more exciting more dynamic more balanced and more deadly. Destruction is the lifeblood of Eve. Nearly every profession and activity in Eve is fueled by things exploding. More explosions means people in space doing things playing the game. More interaction which is the foundation of a MMORPG.


I'LL GIVE YOU DEATH AND YOU WILL LOVE ME FOR IT.


So by making life much harder for fcs, especially newer FCs and new bros in general. More stuff will explode?

It's all about how hot my mining lasers get.

Mandrid X
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#256 - 2015-06-12 02:20:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Mandrid X
KanmanDS wrote:
Everyone else has already clearly illustrated the grossly negative impact this change will have on nearly all aspects of game play. This is so clearly the worst decision CCP has made in years, that it all boils down to this single sentence:

If you make this change, I will unsubscribe, because you are no longer selling a product I am interested in purchasing.


Well all I can think of is angry stressed FC's going off on comms during an op. When the fleet arrives sporadically, people haven't warped. Losses flow in and the guys handling SRP tears the balls off the FC.

People who get into that state aren't going to want to FC for long. People in fleets with FC's yelling at them won't want to be in fleet.

I resubbed my EVE account mainly for fleet roams. And now I'm thinking its not going to be fun to go on fleet roams... and maybe if that happens... I will unsub again.
Pyralissa
Ministry of War
#257 - 2015-06-12 02:21:12 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
You'll still be able to use them, but this will slow the speed at which they usually hit their targets. We consider that a very good outcome.


If the goal was to curtail the power of bombers, there was a million different routes to take beyond removing features. This change is especially bizarre in light of the recent trend of making EVE a more streamlined experience.

Here's a question I want answered in regards to this change; who does this benefit? If it's meant to balance bombers, it does so at the expense of making several other 0.0 annoyances more difficult to counter (off-grid boosting and Slipper Petes). So far bombers and "making fleets more engaging" have been the only two reasons I've seen given, and so the logical course to take to improve these two aspects of the game is to make a dramatic change to stellar navigation that will change literally every facet of gameplay (0.0, lowsec, wormholes, hisec, PVP, PVE, exploration)?

Insane.
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#258 - 2015-06-12 02:21:15 UTC
Miner Hottie wrote:
Manfred Sideous wrote:
Budrick3 wrote:
Manfred Sideous wrote:
+1 this is a excellent change that will help to open up combat/fleet tactics. I supported and pushed hard for this.


Good luck getting re-elected.



I am not a politician. I am not here to kiss anyones ass. If I run and I don't get re-elected so be it. I support measures , mchanics , changes that will make eve more exciting more dynamic more balanced and more deadly. Destruction is the lifeblood of Eve. Nearly every profession and activity in Eve is fueled by things exploding. More explosions means people in space doing things playing the game. More interaction which is the foundation of a MMORPG.


I'LL GIVE YOU DEATH AND YOU WILL LOVE ME FOR IT.


So by making life much harder for fcs, especially newer FCs and new bros in general. More stuff will explode?

There's a word in FC, starts with a 'C'. And it happens to deal A LOT with delegation and control, not 'micromanagement'.
Offgrid Booster
Shenanigans Ltd
#259 - 2015-06-12 02:21:31 UTC
CCP I think you posted this in the wrong sections of the forums. Should be listed in Crime and Punishment cause who ever thought this was a good update for EVE should be punished severely.
Crazy Candy
Zero Fun Allowed
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#260 - 2015-06-12 02:22:00 UTC
Manfred Sideous wrote:
Budrick3 wrote:
Manfred Sideous wrote:
+1 this is a excellent change that will help to open up combat/fleet tactics. I supported and pushed hard for this.


Good luck getting re-elected.



I am not a politician. I am not here to kiss anyones ass. If I run and I don't get re-elected so be it. I support measures , mchanics , changes that will make eve more exciting more dynamic more balanced and more deadly. Destruction is the lifeblood of Eve. Nearly every profession and activity in Eve is fueled by things exploding. More explosions means people in space doing things playing the game. More interaction which is the foundation of a MMORPG.


I'LL GIVE YOU DEATH AND YOU WILL LOVE ME FOR IT.


have fun when major FCs quit because the dont want to juggle more accounts than they already do

or when aspiring FCs don't want to try because they aren't space rich to own multiple accounts

good **** dude