Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Alts Online..... intensifies

This will not change much.
The list of people carrying responsibility in a Fleet will rise from 2 (FC + Scout) to 4: FC, Scout, and 2 moving perches in ceptors, repositioning themselves on grid as needed and functioning as a warpable beacon moving at 6km/s.

That's a tiny, tiny bit optimistic. Chances that it's going to be another player doing that and not an alt of a player that really wants to be doing something other than being the "warpin guy" are about 0%.

Op success.

So, two serious questions as I'm thinking more about this:

First, this is an absolutely massive buff to the defenders. Having to essentially sit and wait compared to having to coordinate warps to land at the same time is such a different beast that it's not even fair trying to compare them. Is this an intended outcome despite the past changes that were more oriented towards /weakening/ defenders?

Secondly, how much speculation has been put into how this will affect mixed-size fleets? Battleships and Battlecruisers were already seeing significantly less use, but with their slow warp speed, they'll be landing a significant amount of time after the faster ships. Even if everyone is just off-grid from the intended warp-to and is already aligned, the slower start-up and slow-down that larger ships have mean that frigs and cruisers will have been on-grid and vulnerable for a fair amount of time. Combined with latency issues and missed voice commands, I'm concerned that a change like this will end up homogenizing fleets even more than they already are.

I appreciate the goals this change is trying to accomplish - reducing the effectiveness of mass bomber wings, making sniping fleets a bit more effective, and making fleet combat more interactive and dynamic on the part of the individual pilots. All good things. Making your T1 Tackle Frigate, or Interceptor feel as important as in the "I Was There" video is a good thing.

I'm glad to see some of the concerns already acknowledged - catching and holding Slippery Petes and Off Grid Boosters. The Tactical Destroyers having the ability to fit Expanded Probe Launchers helps a bit with this, as they can tank much better than a Covops Frigate. Scanning down a Pete should be possible with a T3 Destroyer - if you have to use a Covops frigate with Virtues, it will just get melted, or they'll move before you can land on grid and provide a warp-in. Otherwise you're relegated to only Probing T3 Cruisers which is a pretty high bar to set.

My main concern is with high-end wormhole sites. You absolutely have to warp your entire fleet in together, because you need to put up cap chain and get logistics up as fast as possible, or you'll lose ships. This is the same as with some missions and Incursions, but in most of those cases there are acceleration gates you can all warp to and prepare to take the gate together. This isn't the case in W-Space - even with the scanned sites, frequently we have to make warp-in bookmarks closer to the Sleepers to warp the fleet to.

Because of the current POS mechanics, in W-Space, it is beneficial to have multiple smaller corps to restrict access to assets. This change will hurt them more, as well as NPSI groups.

Sharing corp bookmarks is already incredibly painful - copying them from corp to personal, then dragging them a few at a time into vouchers and storing in a can is horrible busywork.

Instead, I would suggest the following:

• As listed above by Phoenix Jones, rather than the proposed changes, instead limit fleet warps to Squad Leaders.
• Give us a way to manually sync corp bookmarks - currently it takes up to 5 minutes and/or a session change to update. Give us a "Sync" button so we can speed this up.
• Give us Alliance and/or Fleet bookmarks - we can create a folder, and designate it to share to an entire fleet. Even if pilots have to manually warp to the bookmarks (they will be more engaged), it won't slow down combat as much.
• Make it MUCH easier to share bookmarks - currently pulling a few bookmarks out of 25,000 manually is incredibly painful.

Maybe you should get more feedback relating to power projection in WH space before you make the fleet warp changes? K-Space residents have the benefit of fleet warping cohesively to gates, WH residents do not.



This is the point Quiggle was trying to make. Is it really considered WH "power projection" if K-space residents can do the same thing with stargates.

Ultimately I feel like this is yet another idea which only negatively impacts small gang PVP, but does nothing to impact super large fleets. Large coalition fleets will have no problem dedicating a scout 1 of their 255 to be a scout. To those of us who fly with 4 or 5 people .. that's a large sacrifice.

From a purely selfish wormholer perspective, this change is just going to double my travel time while I wait for alliance members to warp to me, bookmark, repeat.

If we had Alliance bookmarks, however...

I just had a thought. If this whole change is really to nerf time on grid for bombers, why don't you ya know do something slightly simpler like nerfing their warp accl and speed?

Can we protest this change?

Atleast part of it..

Can we ask the president of Iceland to give us the option to vote on this???