Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The change restriction is too high and affects too many areas of life in Eve, from Kspace, to Null, to Wspace. I would propose a smaller iteration to address the concerns of how fleet warp mechanics now work.

• Permit Squad Commanders in a fleet to fleet-warp their squad to bookmarks and probed sigs.

Essentially you move the capabilities of the overall fleet and wing commander down to the squad level. You remove the big flying balls of hurt down to decisions made by the squad commander, permitting them to decide on tactical warp ins, locations and fleet warps for their squad.

You restrict fleet warps down to a 10 man team, with a individual per 10 man team making individual decisions for that 10 man team, to support the fleet efforts.

Fleet and Wing commanders would lose this ability to warp entire armada's to bookmarks and scanned sigs, but permit smaller skirmish groups/squads to warp their small group to them.

You move the leadership role of getting tacticals and flying to the leader of the squad, reducing the blob down to at most, 10 pilots, vs the 100+ null runs into. You now create a new leadership dynamic, and permit new people to have a stepping stone to becoming a Fleet Commander. Squad Leaders gain power, and have a relevant role verses just being a booster for their fleetmates.

I'd start with baby steps first, commonly known as "A Iteration" (Thanks for that CCP Rise).

Remove the ability for fleet commanders and wing commanders from warping entire groups to bookmarks and scan probes, and reduce it down to the squad level.

Try that first. See how it actually works.

There HAS to be a solution that isn't more alts.

THIS is a problem that needs to be looked at, being able to warp a fleet to a previously bookmarked location is not. It's in your ships nav computer, why can't you share that nav data with your fleet warp? Strategic bookmarks are a huge aspect of Eve combat..... Otherwise what's the actual advantage of home field advantage or going in and scouting/preparing a site for combat?

fleet warps arent harming anything. does life have to get harder?

as someone who multi boxxes.......UGH.

AAR; Venture kill- yes I know who cares, but the process on this I find important, Because without the fleet warp, If this was a guy in a Relic/data site, he would have been done and gone by the time bookmarks popped. and as for the gas, gas clouds decloak you. so getting a warp in to a person can be very difficult. as this tale shall show.

So after hopping on and seeing our scanned down Chain, I decided to jump into my prospect, time to get that shiny new toy after getting some gas to sell. Before leaving I check the Holes I will be huffing in... Regular hole, not a wolf-rayet so no sig tanking. I dump the tank equip and dual scram, toss on some stabilizers and microwarp drive. Off I go into the C5 static, and on down the chain, spamming D-scan. Arriving in the C2 I hit D-scan. Ventue.... POS.... same stuff as last time. bleh no fight this time. reduce D-scan to 10AU... Venture, sun, POS... Reduce to 5AU... Sun, Venture, nothing.... he's out gassing? perfect time to kill him and take the gas. what gas sites we got? gotta be quick on this- Barren and Ordinary... 1 venture. He is ninja'ing the barren go figure. I warp to the barren-sleepers? missed him? no he is in the other. ah he cleared it.... but that gas is worth way less than C-50? meh kill him anyways the guys need some content. So off I warp to the ord... He is sitting still in the center of the C-72. that's my baiting spot, but he is sitting still, not aligned, on the center of the gas cloud..... don't think its bait... take the bait hope for a big fight? do it.

So I call in the guys and they bring a Jackdaw with dual scram and a few other ships. Becuase he is in the center of the cloud I cannot provide warp-in as I will be de-cloaked and he will see me and run off. can't warp to old sig bookmark as it is 43 KM away. So I click his ship and hit "look at ship", then look around seeing the gas cloud mark is 1 KM away. I bookmark our warp-in point. we don't have fleet warp. well, the guys on home computers got the bookmarks to propagate very quickly, but the 2 on laptops... we tried a few things. My personal favorite for fixing this is what I call Forcing the BM's= Hit "add location" make a bookmark, then delete it. This often causes the bookmarks to propagate, except laptops. then you are not so fortunate, sorry sabre guy. Rather than fleet warping we wait for bookmarks. this guy can leave anytime... so glad I'm not in a Relic site doing this. Then the warp in, scram the venture, kill it. pod got away, fine we got the ship. and his gas=BONUS.

So how is this bad at relic/data sites? cloaked ships don't move fast, cans are often 15-30 KM apart sometimes 50 KM apart. we bookmark the next can he will hit as we are.... 40KM away and target is using a micro warp drive to get there. fleet warp to this location allows a drop on target where as waiting on bookmarks he will be long gone. And I've scrammed a Stratios while flying an Astero... it doesn't go very well for the tackle.

I like the change, one man FC shows where getting too much. Now to rework combat scanning to something that requires a bit more skill to keep things interesting for the person who has the job to scan down the enemy and provide warpins... even my badly skilled alt was able to combat scan a solo frigate with ease using the default probe formation and sister combat probes.

Could we look into more ships getting fitting bonuses for probe launchers, or reducing the needs altogether? The smaller the fleet gets the more important every member becomes, and either switching a man (or two) out for probers or gimping fits so they can fit the launchers, becomes a bigger issue. It still definitley falls within the more people involvement idea, but less of a cost at doing so.

you know im usually the first to make fun of people for being butthurt and I am having a good time watching people be butthurt

BUT

CCP if you keep "fixing" things in a way that isn't fun then even if you are making a more mechanically/conceptually sound game people will play it less because it's not fun

this issue doesn't affect me because I mostly fly solo but I can see how what you're trying to do technically works but it's just not fun for a lot of people and having a fun game is important

Hey remember the last time you tried to "fix" bombers and proposed a change to break all cloaky gameplay entirely which had to be abandoned? If bombers are so broken that you need to break other things to fix them, remove bomb launchers. Entirely.

Please run with this idea. No one liked wormhole changes but they came and came hard. W-space is still teaming with life.

EVE always needs change no matter how much players grog about it.