Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This will bring another role for the scouts in the fleets and it will differentiate good from the bad ones. Interceptors, cloaky probers will have a much more important role in fights. the more variables are in the fight the better gameplay is.

Fleets require more skill. To warp on a certain spot when told...ohhh so hard!

Will slow down and make harder bomber runs (positive)

Will slow down (a bit) projection in WHs. Probe > warp > fleet warp instead of probe > fleet warp. It will add some 30 sec more which is not really that bad for all the other gains

Only negative thing i heard is it will be almost impossible catching boosting alts. But i think capsuleers will find a way to fit a ship that will be able to do it. also i can live with it especially if CCP plans to remove offgrid boosting.

Name any negative point of this change.

It would suck if you fix this change so the 50 man fleets of bad are happy.

If you are interested in changing things so that people fly their individual ships, then change it so people fly individual ships. In wormholes this means something different than k-space. Just like we don't have local, we also warp between sigs. Does that make fleets harder? Sure, but that's wormhole space.

This is one of the best things you've done for wormholes in a long time. Please don't blow it by "fixing" it.

Local is standard outside of wormholes.

Fleet warping to pings before warping to a scout is also a necessary mechanic for many fleets. You can argue that it's not strictly necessary in null, but consider -10 and to a lesser degree invading fw fleets in highsec who by mechanical necessity have to warp more than once per minute or the fleet gets wiped or in the case of fw at least damaged. Having the pilots independently warp around the system isn't good enough and you know full well what the result will be: FCs will be required to have another covops alt who warps ahead of the fleet to the next ping. We don't need more alts online.

Of course there are ways around it, warp my carrier first then warp everyone else right? well yeah but why do I keep needing to come up with workarounds that only add needless complexity. Is it really that bad that I want to be able to warp my fleet as a whole to a WH. I want us to all land at the same time and not give them time to know what we are doing before hand and start neuting and shooting my triage. This is especially important if I'm taking A fight against someone with a dread

Why do your scouts all have full Virtue sets? You really don't need them unless you're hunting T3 boosters. Also jumpclones are a thing, so cloaky alts really can substitute for bookmarks.

Im not sure im liking the nerf to fleet warp at all and I usually since its gonna take a big dump on wh people.
Although I understand why you guys are deciding to make that change I feel its gonna stomp on the little guys more than the large organizations.
All the other stuff in the 07 show was very nice to hear about, though Im wondering does the ishtar really need to be nerfed even more?

So my main concern here is that this is a stealth buff to off grid boosters (OGB).

Many tech 3 off grid boosters are fitted both to be extremely hard to scan down and have a 100mn afterburner to burn around on the grid. Furthermore they often sit in deep safes (long warps).

Currently the best way to kill an OGB is to scan it down (which needs to be done fast or they cloak) fleet warp a lachesis or a tackle bomber to them (dscan invisibility).

After this change in order to kill a OGB you'll need to put a cloaky scout on grid with the OGB so you can warp to that. This causes a few issues, often OGB's are only decloaked for a limited amount of time, so the extra delay reduces the chances of catching it. Furthermore if it's in a deepsafe and burning with a 100mn 2 long warps instead of one makes it highly likely that it will now be out of tackle range completely by the time you get there.

Fitting tackle to the prober isn't that realistic a solution either since you need highly specialized fits to even be able to scan most tech 3 OGB's down in the first place. And many of the command ship variants that are hard to probe also carry a flight of ECM drones which puts further restraints on the fits of viable tackle ship.

So I worry that this change makes a class of ships that is already incredibly hard to kill even harder to kill.

Having corp bookmarks update instantaneously might be a viable work around, that way you still remove the automation but at least it doesn't hurt things like OGB hunting then.

As a Californian, yes please!

It is a very good point. Thank you.