Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Agreed, even the most diligent timed warp, will fail unless everyone has the same size engine :(

CCP I love you. This change is so elegant, and wonderful at fixing so many problems. As a small gang pilot, and PvPer I could not be happier! Its going to be so much more interesting now fighting a blob that no longer has the ability to drop all of their ships on me (at zero) over and over again.

Thank you for bringing piloting, actual skill and situational awareness back into the game.

For those of you that are complaining, I only have this to say: Spend less time whining on the forums, and perhaps learn how to actually PvP and fly your ships?


These changes (Along with the HML and BC stuff) made my entire week.

Made props CCP- its incredible. I am so excited for this, along with fozzie sov!

From the perspective of a small to mid-size gang FC, this change will have a single effect on my tactics: Roughly an 100% increase in the amount of time it takes me to offensively re-position my fleet.

That is because instead of scanning a target and using my alt to warp the fleet to that target, I will instead warp my alt to the target and then warp the fleet to my alt, thus paying the warp time cost twice.

Tacticals and other common bookmark warp tos will receive a lesser penalty since I can order a ceptor to warp or burn there and warp the fleet to that ceptor. Where as combat scanning requires the longevity and surprise of a cloaked vessel to often be viable.

At the end of the day, I won't be having my pilots warp themselves to someone or something more often than I already do. I'll simply be taking longer to warp the fleet to a target. The primary reason for that is it is tactically unwise to have your fleet land in any manner other than perfectly together. So I am willing to be slower to avoid arriving piece-meal in most situations.

In short; this change will make the FC work harder to mitigate game mechanics while failing to accomplish the stated goal of getting line members more involved. Shoveling more load onto the FCs, the dominant content creators in the game, is a bad move in my opinion.


If CCP wants to see line members doing more of their own warping, then CCP needs to find a way to make individual warps better than fleet warps. This could be accomplished in a number of ways;

• Slow down fleet warps dramatically. Such that using a fleet warp will almost always result in the position being worthless upon arrival.
• Make fleet warps consume capacitor in excess of the amount when solo. Perhaps such that small gangs could fleet warp and retain combat effectiveness but large gangs/fleets cannot.
• Make individual warps impart speed on exit, such that small ships exit warp at 'combat velocity'
• Make ships warping individually no longer appear on dscan

Do be aware that many of these ideas are terrible.

Dammit, it would have taken them 4 more days to figure that out....thanks for screwing it up for everyone :)

From what I have heard boosts, inc mining, will soon be on-grid, no?

I thought links could not be run from inside POS shields, seems I was wrong. Nevermind then.

How to kill a game 101 with CCP.

OMG these threads are so salty.
Train dedicated probers not F1 monkeys.

HTFU. EvE is dynamic game. Evolve or die.

So, while I don't agree with any of your goals, and urge you to reconsider..

If the goal is to slow down bombers/fleets in their arrival on grid, why does this involve bookmarks?
Bookmarks must be traded/contracted, or take 5 or more minutes to propagate to the rest of the corporation.
They are not part of the 'insta-probe wing-warp' mechanic at all, and are utterly crucial in wormhole space.

If you do go forward with this, please consider doing it to probe results first, and moving forward incrementally.

This is a terrible idea, you want a fleet to all land at once on a wormhole with different warp speeds, thats no longer possible.
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