Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Fozzie, you should just do what you are trying to do for a long time, remove w-space totally because every patch didn't go without a single nerf/bug in wspace or a ninja change.

RIP killing ventures,miners, siterunners (hey guys I'm next to them.. oh **** I'm decloaked they all run away) etc..

how would that help? you can't warp a fleet of corpmates to corp bookmarks either after the change. You have to send a scout first.

If you have a booster (Orca or Rorq) sitting in POS you can warp to them.

tldr: hope you like doing things with alts or solo

Here is my list of things you can no longer warp to in a fleet without a scout in position. This is just one more account to run by FCs, who alternately have to be SURE they are reliable and are actually there every time. So scout ahead to see enemies coming, and scout JUST ahead of the fleet, WAITING for people to actually warp to him. usually at the wrong range.

I think it's terrible because telling a newbie how to warp to a person is painful. And getting him to pick the right range is even worse if it's not at zero. It encourages scouts, yes, but it also just slows down and makes game play more complicated.

Due to bookmarks:
- perches - Pipe bombing just got easier as perches get used less.
- insta-docking locations - For those vulnerable dread fleets who bump when landing
- POS shields - either edge or inside, everyone could warp to the moon instead but just longer they are on field
- Jump bridges -
- Wormholes home
- Miners going to the same place in a belt
- Multibox miners warping OUT of the belt unless going to a station (who does that?!)

Due to probing:
- Bomb targets (RIP Bombing without a wreck target or near a celestial)
- Attack sites done as a group
- Relic hunting as a group
- Anyone with two warp core stabs not near an object (unless dictor probing)
- Pretty much everything in wormholes.
- Snipers
- Petes
- Boosters

Deadspace items
- Escalation sites that don't have a warp gate
- Mission running as a group unless they can tank initial aggro for a minute
- salvage spots for newbies, unless you drop a bookmark in a can.

Hooray CCP, let's make our already difficult game more difficult for newbies! I mean, that's been the problem all along, eve is too easy.

Are we really going to have change after change after change that do nothing but make the game a little bit more irritating to play?

I'm getting ready to macro a teamspeak recording of a voice saying.... THREE, TWO, ONE.... WARP!

Thanks, looking forward to this change.

This is quite honestly a pretty negative change that will severely impact fleet coordination. As part of a wormhole PvP alliance (which relies solely on bookmarks to navigate to wormholes, which is where most fights happen), this is going to require another alt or tie up one more fleet member to be warp-to. Don't get me wrong, this is just more job security for me as an over caffeinated inty pilot. Siterunners won't be able to rely on their FC to warp them to safety at the first sign of danger and will have to warp themselves, which might add to the burnout factor given how excruciatingly boring most PvE is IMHO. I can't really comment on the impact it will have on kspace since I haven't really participated in kspace pvp for the past two years, but as others have noted bomber wings will also suffer.

I see more cons than pros. My corp probably won't suffer too badly given that we typically field small squads where we warp to each other anyway, but I can't help but wonder what impact this will have on the wider EVE community. I suspect if the proposed changes go through we'll see fleets organized a bit more organically, with a "target calling FC" and "navigation FC", etc.

Alright so, since we will now have to have someone warp to something he combat probes before the fleet can warp on top of that someone, I hereby request a new probe button:

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Center probes on self

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After all, combat probing is taking a huge nerf so this wouldn't be OP at all, and it would definitely remove some of the frustration about probing.

Pretty please?

- Implement alliance bookmarks in Aegis, I never hurts to repeat it, there is no reason why corporations fleeting together should be penalizde.

- More consistency in the way corp and alliance bookmarks spread. A fair and regular delay for everyone.

- The ability for corp / alliance mates to be included in a warp toward a corp / alliance bookmark.

- I would also appreciate a confirmation warning if some members of a fleet are unable to follow the fleet warp I am about to initiate.

- Raise the maximum limit of corp bookmarks? 500 is ridiculously small for any serious corp.

- Maybe consider lifting the probe result limitation for squad commanders? To be exploited it would require every squad commander to have probes, which is quite ridiculous, and it would still allow for some interesting small-squad stuff. Like a fast-tackle squad dedicated to warp on top of ennemies, tackle, and survive long enough for the rest of the fleet to warp to them.

Because lets be realistic, there is no way a ship would be able to: Equip an expanded probe launcher, AND be fast enough to catch stuff, AND be resilient enough to hold tackle ALONE while the rest of the fleet arrives.

The delay in the corp bookmark populating should be a fair waiting period to quality for fleet warps. This way we can still warp to our wormholes we have pre-bookmarked, just like null-sec people warp to gates together.