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im running on 2x 32" Sceptre monitors and the icons STILL look bad ... after about 15 minutes of play, the icons all just kind of blend together ... its a mess and someone needs to clean it up ... i find myself now less and less interested in playing due to eyestrain and frustration ...

I run 4 19" Monitors and yes the new icons are made for bigger screens to make the UI future proof.
For example: if you implement a new shader technique, you always need to have fallbacks that people
with older hardware still being able to use your program. So why ccp put in icons made for top notch hardware
and dont bring a solution for people with older stuff is a miracle to me. just bad implementation technically and also
from the marketing point of view.

Maybe if i save the 60euro i spend per month for the game i can buy me some bigger screens

I dont understand why folk say we needed new icons because the old ones didnt differentiate between a frigate and a destroyer. In the old days, I never had trouble telling a desy from a frig because the type column is right there - there simple were no instances where a rifter was confused with say an algos. The new icons have not improved upon what we had, they only made it worse by cluttering the screen.

In truth, you do not want a system that creates information overload. If everything has a unique icon all you get is a jumble. Instead, you want icons that convey critical information. IMO the only information that should be conveyed by the icons (1) relative size of the ships, i.e. that it is a small, medium or large ship, (2) NPC or Player, and (3) friend, foe or neutral. That way you can say at a glance its hostile or not, and adjust your navigation/approach according to relative size of the ship. Any other information you get by glancing at the type column.

As for the map - it is so broken as to be useless. Sure with all that zooming from universe view to system gives you a gee wiz google earth feel - but people dont drive down the highway doing 80 mph (I have know idea what that is in metric for you eu types) with google earth as their default gps map. The reason is simple - you dont want to have fiddle with your map as you are trying to extract important info while doing something important such as avoiding crashing. Here, its always fiddle with this, fiddle with that - which is just not viable, unless you happen to be sitting in one place doing nothing important. The map would be much more useful if it was less graphically gee whiz and more map like - its for this reason why imo both the old map and eve dotlan are still better in just about every respect.

So the answer we receive about this icon disaster in this morning's patch was... strip out the remnants of the old ones you missed to stuff in more of the new icons of migraine induction. AYFKM?????

Starting the hunt for the international dialing code to Iceland and a phone number. Since you won't respond here, perhaps a female voice from Texas will get better attention and a response other than 'get used to it' or blatant silence. Since 2 accounts are inactive in protest on this fiasco, I can pay for the call when the cellphone bill comes in.

What happened to the theory that CCP was the unique MMO company that actually gave a flip about their customer base? And where are those CSM reps that blew me off in a Petition a couple months ago, dealing with issues just like this on the fast track release schedule and the attack of the chiggers?

I wasn't around for Incarna, but it looks like I'm here for Carnyx. So what is getting blown to bits in protest this time, and which system is it in?

>Jeven

Where is CSM to handle this ....?

But the icons are not future proof for bigger screens, this is the big hilarious laughing stock of all this :c If you scale them up, they look just as bad as if you would scale them down.
So instead of implementing a technology in the engine that will either scale them properly, OR make these icons to vectors OR craft each icon set individually, the new icons have been squished into the current client without modification. So they will remain a failure even on bigger screens. Here is case and proof

And even IF the icons would scale absolutely perfectly and would display exactly as they should... I would still have severe issues with the choice of the icons for certain ships. I'm here to place spaceships online and not Monopoly Online

You are missing the point. You STILL had to look at the type column to see the difference. This means you had to doublecheck at all times. You got a general size idea, based on small, medium and large weapon systems. Except that was no longer the case the moment when one type of Battlecruisers got large weapons. And the other thing was, a capital ship had no distinction between a battleship icon either, and capital ships are surely a different beast. Although I admit I'm not 100% certain on this one, but I believe the capital ship icon was the same size as battleship.

The idea was to give a distinction on the general ship type, so you would only need the column to check for the tech1 or tech2 variant. While it never was a game-breaking thing, some people have said over the years it might be nice to have something like that. It definitely was not a priority, but it seems CCP hooked on the "screen size grows bigger, so our icons need to match" train. Let us ignore for now how (un)well 4K screens are for gaming, but we've all seen people with very nice large screens... who STILL decide to play on 90% to get even MORE space... without complaining. I mean, they didn't complain back then. Nowadays... well. We know the story.

The idea was well intended, the prioritization unfitting, the design was bad, and the implementation was worse.
CCP used too many pixels per type with not enough consistency in shapes and theme. And among all of the things, the implementation was the worse. The new icons as a beta feature was the LEAST they could do.

But hey, I guess they just ran out of time because... someone is cracking the whip hard for a 6 week update schedule.
Who cares if the previous features are broken, as long as the money flows?
Oh wait...

I don't even want to know how many things the CSM hasn't even remotely seen or had enough time to respond because of this fast update schedule. To me, there is only one fitting definition left...

Ok, my two cents - I was directed here fro feedback.

The Wrecks resemble smaller ships to closely to "Quickly" identify them. The wreck icons need to be changed to something not even close to a ship.

yes I can remove them from the overview blah blah yea yea. However if im salvaging I need to see them and identifying a frigate in that mess is nearly impossible to do in time. That's just the first example that came to mind.

Now as for the Icons themselves. I understand why it was needed and I don't mind change at all. As a matter a fact I live ti every day at work. I cannot clearly identify a ship -

Cruiser and BS are very close.
Frig and Dessie are distinguishable
POS icons - holy crap just stop.
Bubbles? why did it need a change? because everything else was?

Change for the sake of change isn't worth it.

Right now my biggest issue is identyfing just ships versus wrecks and other things on grid. Maybe make ships a different color?

rats are red, ships are green - I don't care but something.

I’m sure it’s not that simple. Otherwise it would not have taken so long to get the alliance logo problem sorted out.

It will lose players , I unsubbed like 6 months ago my another 4 accounts due to the minicom icons bad design. I guess CCP want the EVE space just for themselves.

Please try to play the game at 90% scaling and tell me if you still don't get any eyestrain and headaches either c:

Are you playing PvE in highsec? If so, then you can take all the time you want in locking and switching targets, you know what is coming at you, and you know you're not in danger at all. Depending on the ship you're flying, it doesn't even matter what you target because you treat all targets the same. This take away a lot of eyestrain and headaches because you simply don't need to bother. I'm curious if that is the case with your example.


This is a technical limitation. Tech3 Cruisers are basically a modular polygon puzzle, which makes it difficult to paint it properly when taking all possible variations into account. Else it simply does not look good enough.

Actually, you provide a wonderful example! Only because the icons work for a limited, risk free environment at 100% scaling, does not mean they are perfectly fine everywhere else :D
I'm not hating or am envious, I just want to know how you would do at 90% and if my speculation about your gaming situation was right.