Ships & Modules

Battleships are the victims of cumulative module nerfs:

ECM.
Nos.
Webs.

These utility modules meant that the pure slot-advantage of a BS allowed them to be useful and effective where frigates/cruisers could not. I'm not saying these modules shouldn't have been nerfed, just that the consequences are now apparent.

Now they have weapons that can only hit other BS or heavily tackled smaller targets, they are too hard to move long distances and logistics for re-arming a fleet with lost BS are insanely impractical.

Long story short battleships don't have anything they do well enough to justify them being used over HAC's or attack battlecruisers.



I applaud your pointing out the stupidity of some of the statements in the thread but the fact remains that other than drone boats, HAC's and T3's make up 90% of eve fleet combat. It's not an argument; If BS where better, they'd be used more... they aren't, so they don't get used in PVP.

Got to wonder how much of the BS damage is made up entirely of the Dominix and POCO bashing.

Greatest tank in the game is sig/speed tank. Worst weapon system is a large weapon system. It will rarely hit it's target for all the damage those weapons can do on paper. Battleship electronic systems are pretty bad too.

Considering the DPS a typical BS should put out, that's really pretty bad. Doubly so when one considers how many structures they are wheeled out to bash.

If a BS has 2x the DPS of a cruiser and they are tied on the charts that suggests cruisers are used 2x more. For them to be 3rd....yuck

Cruisers are clearly the most used ships, but saying battleships are terrible when its just Cruisers + HAC that do mor eoverall PvP damage is just wrong.

T3 Cruisers do less than Battleships, Dreads do less (10x paper dps), Supercarrier do less (10-20x paper dps).


Could Battleships use some buffs here and there, sure, but they are largely used in PvP and do 3rd most pvp dmg of any class of ships in the game.
If battleships are not worth training but battlecruisers and large weapons (Battlecruisers+Stealth Bombers) are worth it and capital ships are worth it (need BS skill to fly...). What makes Battleships so bad?

How exactly is it a liability to pvp in one? My typhoon begs to differ, both t1 and FI. Also you have insurance, after insurance a t1 BS costs roughly 60-80m depending on fit. Show me a cruiser that can shoot 800-1k dps out to 60km, that has 100k+ EHP, 24km neut(s) and can fit an MJD to escape from things faster than you. All the while costing 60-80m. You won't find one.

Just the past couple days ive killed t3d, AF, and faction cruisers in my phoon. While doing this ive been chased by blobs, fought linked ships, got around gate camps and avoided many attempts at being probed down (70 SS FI phoon.. heh gl prober). So, ive avoided all the usual compliants about BS and came out on top.

Im sry your PVE phoon keeps dying because you dont know how to be aware of your surroundings, but that is not the BS' fault, but the pilot flying it.

If you go that route, you'd have to increase repair/boost amount, otherwise the Hyperion and Maelstrom might fall behind horribly

That said, I've had some success with battleships in PvP with mixed fleets with battleships as support. No, you probably can't catch a cruiser gang with your battleship gang, but the cruiser wing of your gang can catch them and then you drop the hammer with your Armageddon, Megathron or Tempest. They're good when speed isn't an issue, and when you have stasis webs and sometimes target painters to make sure your guns can hit.

But it's wrong....

Just because they're not represented doesn't mean they can't be. A disgusting amount of PvP DPS is spent grinding structures, which means Ishtars and VNI....it's a huge skew, domis contribute but are less agile so tend not to be as much.

You see a good number of battleship videos where they're smashing entire gangs and that's ONE battleship. The usually don't have more because everyone would just run away.

Read the OP. 10 pages of gang theory, and t2 battlships, high sec POS bashing, and some snark. No one has said a way battleships are designed superior to other ships for the ISK and SP invested in them. They are fun to fly, good at PVE, and are your best option for high sec POS bashing.

You read the OP. Then check out that dudes KB history. It makes me wonder why we would even discuss the issue with him. He has zero experience flying BS, so he really doesn't have a basis for anything he says. Not old enough to fly a BS and zero pvp experience.

If you know the guy, do him and the rest of us a favor.... pull him to the side and quietly tell him that ranting on some theory that he doesn't even have actual experience with is kind of.... not good. It's no wonder we can't reason with him. He doesn't even have a reasonable base of understanding to build on.

Shame on us all for this. (I especially blame Baltec1 - of all people he should know better)