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Carnyx release - General feedback

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Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1401 - 2015-06-09 11:19:09 UTC
Today's patch fixed inconsistencies within the new icons. That is fair, it means we now can judge the product addition for how it really was meant to be, right?
*looks at the topic*
Do you want another 70 pages of the same repetitions all over again?

Pejlona Parek wrote:
+ Very happy with the new icons. I disagree that the old ones worked better..
What do you mostly do in eve and do you play with 100% scaling? How much have you relied on the "type" column before and what are your tagging options for player ships?

Dangeresque Too wrote:
I've noticed a trend over the recent years of CCP working to remove as much utility space from our screens as possible. Making the minimum size of windows larger, text larger, etc.
What makes this even more surreal is their notion that they want to give us more space to look at our ship. But wait, I mistook that. Their idea was to have more see-through for less legibility so that we can see more of the skybox and ship in blurred transparency... :c

I don't have a large screen. In fact, I have a very small screen. I still refuse to go down to 90% because the base font is an atrocity, has broken spacing, and whatnot. Trying to increase font size via the options is an exercise in futility. It just looks more broken in comparison to the rest of the UI.

Black Ambulance wrote:
what probably CCP think about us :
We realize it may be an inconvenience to you and we hope you'll voice all your concerns to us because at CCP the customer is always our bit*h.
Sad
Well, as I mentioned before... it took them 4 to 5 months last time to fix something of this magnitude. If the new word is "faster" for updates, then maybe their reactions will be faster too... so maybe 2 months?

I also urge CCP to not misunderstand the "insignificant" drop in user statistics.
There are still many of us who are in the game despite the struggle, because of various other reasons. But the more you're cutting at the game, the thinner this bond will become, until it eventually fades and people break away completely. And your playerbase IS declining, the online statistics don't lie and a more detailed picture from the start of 2014 paints this even clearer.
I don't even want to go into the "how many players are actually playing the game" thing. There is a significant number of people who only log in to chat.

So in reality, if we had a way to see who is actually playing the game and not just sitting in station chatting, or having eve idle in the background...
... actually, I don't even want to know.
Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1402 - 2015-06-09 11:25:02 UTC

Did some one call them?

http://www.ccpgames.com/en/home
Steijn
Quay Industries
#1403 - 2015-06-09 12:10:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Steijn
so a week of complaints and you are still forcing us to use this crap?

EDIT: I really should have said trying to force us to use it, because in my case, i refuse to get migraines, eye strain and whatever else, due to some designer who doesnt play the game thinking he knows what is best.

11 days and first account will have gone.
Ida Aurlien
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#1404 - 2015-06-09 13:08:23 UTC
fix this crap...... takes 20 min to maybe get thru launcher......have stopped real dollars for accts will die soon ... you really need to think about all you lose as you never get all back.. if 20 quit and then you fix 10 may come back
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#1405 - 2015-06-09 13:22:46 UTC
Panterata wrote:

Did some one call them?

http://www.ccpgames.com/en/home


"Redone Overview Icons: Brackets and overview indicators are more intuitive and uniform."

Funny stuff. They are neither uniform nor intuitive. Of course "clusterfu-k," probably wouldnt pass the censors.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.

Ida Aurlien
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#1406 - 2015-06-09 13:31:12 UTC
not able to open launcher today have spent 30 minutes trying....your really not listening to your customers...
Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1407 - 2015-06-09 13:41:31 UTC
Ida Aurlien wrote:
not able to open launcher today have spent 30 minutes trying....your really not listening to your customers...


Naah...it's not a big issue that you can't log. If you log you will see the same ugly icons so there is no point log.

Midnight Hope
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1408 - 2015-06-09 13:59:47 UTC
Still not happy with the icons even after a few days.

- Drones: too many different icons.
- I'm unable to tell what's an NPC and what a player ship, specially at a gate in low-high. NPC custom and police ships are waaay to similar to player ships.
- Haulers/Industrials/Freigthers, etc. Too many icons for something that can not shoot back. Why do we need to tell them apart? One icon for them would be ok.
TuCZnak
Cyber Dong Industries
#1409 - 2015-06-09 14:25:36 UTC
TIL that even if you explicitly cancel your sub, CCP still spams your mailbox with notifications that your accounts are about to expire. Can someone recommend replacement game? Because CCP seems to be keen on doing Incarna v2.
Also, silently ignoring all feedback and then patching the remaining old icons is just adding insult to injury.
Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1410 - 2015-06-09 14:29:22 UTC
TuCZnak wrote:
TIL that even if you explicitly cancel your sub, CCP still spams your mailbox with notifications that your accounts are about to expire. Can someone recommend replacement game? Because CCP seems to be keen on doing Incarna v2.
Also, silently ignoring all feedback and then patching the remaining old icons is just adding insult to injury.


Star Citizen

I will try it
AnSky
BALKAN EXPRESS
Shadow Cartel
#1411 - 2015-06-09 14:57:37 UTC
patch is an insult

prolly you have a good fun making idiots out of us.. for our own money..

Lara Divinity
Pidgeon Cartel
#1412 - 2015-06-09 15:20:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Lara Divinity
Panterata wrote:
TuCZnak wrote:
TIL that even if you explicitly cancel your sub, CCP still spams your mailbox with notifications that your accounts are about to expire. Can someone recommend replacement game? Because CCP seems to be keen on doing Incarna v2.
Also, silently ignoring all feedback and then patching the remaining old icons is just adding insult to injury.


Star Citizen

I will try it


elite dangerous: https://www.elitedangerous.com/
vil MbIIIIb
Viluchinsk
#1413 - 2015-06-09 15:23:10 UTC
Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1414 - 2015-06-09 15:41:18 UTC
vil MbIIIIb wrote:

I see you picked up my notion to use raised brackets for interim sized ships, but didn't take other related feedback about this into account.
I'm sorry to say, but those will not work either :c looking fine on separated concept at 100% , but will not make the grade in the ingame overview.
vil MbIIIIb
Viluchinsk
#1415 - 2015-06-09 15:53:24 UTC
Natya Mebelle wrote:
vil MbIIIIb wrote:

I see you picked up my notion to use raised brackets for interim sized ships, but didn't take other related feedback about this into account.
I'm sorry to say, but those will not work either :c looking fine on separated concept at 100% , but will not make the grade in the ingame overview.

Мало что понял ))
Judith Baker
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#1416 - 2015-06-09 15:59:44 UTC
Where is the CSM?
Khoon Radja
Sarnami Raiders
#1417 - 2015-06-09 16:00:02 UTC
Fix this!!
Lantyss
Silver Shield
#1418 - 2015-06-09 16:09:48 UTC
Where ARE the CSM and the CCP cognizant? What a combination of gutlessness and blatant disregard of player feedback!
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
#1419 - 2015-06-09 16:12:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Eraza
X4me1eoH wrote:


I agree here, 6 months with the new sidebar, guess what CCP, I STILL find them confusing.
The thing is, they look ok, when they are at their full size(and waste screen real estate)
When I shrink them down to get more screen real estate to use, they become very hard to tell apart.
The old neocom icons were MUCH better for this, because color variations are easy to tell apart no matter what size



On the new icons, I was originally all for the change, because for example, lets say I run into a group of ships, a mixture of T1 cruisers, T2 cruisers, and battlecruisers, the old + and (cube) icons made them all cruiser icons, and I have to sort the names/type to tell them apart, for target priorities.

So I liked the idea of making this simpler, and was happy with icon changes..
Then I used them for a few days..
And I have to say, no, this is not an improvement, this system is just flawed:
It's too much about aesthetics, and too little about functionality.

I was hoping for something like:
http://i.imgur.com/PZUJoXr.png
http://i.imgur.com/xIpQUFU.png
http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/1505/NoUTVmZ3.png
or perhaps this one:
http://i.imgur.com/75xJGq1.png

The big difference between these and what you went with:
Simple geometric shapes, are easy to tell apart at a glance
Artistic depictions, are NOT
Especially when they are made small(such as to get more screen real estate, or for people that don't have good eyesight), simple geometric shapes remain easy to tell apart.
Artistic depictions, get WORSE.

I know CCP, that it's painful when people say your idea is just bad and they want it gone, but please, for the sake of making the game better, shelve your pride, and FIX THIS.



Last but not least, please switch to the old patch schedule, or at least add delays to this one.
I for one, want new content when it's good and ready, not just as soon as possible.


Hoping someone there still cares,
-Eraza
Olleybear
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#1420 - 2015-06-09 17:02:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Olleybear
Hmm. Just had a thought. I'm wondering if the new icons were drawn on a larger monitor size than most of us play on. If this is true, this would begin to explain why on a smaller monitor the icons are hard to tell apart. Looking at youtube videos at CCP headquarters we can see large monitors everywhere. 12 minutes in on this video you can see the monitors I am talking about:
Eve Online Show 12 minutes in
Unfortunately I am unable to see the size of the monitors but they do seem big to me.

Another thing that makes me wonder about monitor size at CCP headquarters is the chosen font size at ccpgames website here:
CCP Games
The font size is seriously tiny running both Firefox and Chrome. I'm not a web developer or anything, but I was able to find the size of the font used: font-size: 0.7em. When this font size is unchecked in Firefox's Tools/Webdelveoper/Toggle Tools, the font gets larger and is much easier to read on my monitors.

My home setup and how I play Eve:
Run 2 monitors here with my main monitor 21" and my second monitor 19". Playing 2 accounts at once means I am running my main account in Fixed windowed mode and alt account in unfixed windowed mode, both of which are smaller than my screen size so I have access to icons on my desktop that help me in game, like excel, and have access to watch a movie while mining or waiting for a pvp target to come along. This cuts down even further on the display size of the client and of course the new icons.

Here is a question:
Is a lot of the problems with the new icons we are having simply because our monitor sizes are smaller than at CCP headquarters and the people there only play in full screen mode, and as such CCP can easily tell the difference between the new icons? Perhaps developing the new icons on a 19" monitor would have been a good idea?

** Shrug **, just a thought before I've even had my first cup of coffee drank and breakfast eaten.

When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.