Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I am here just to tell somebody that wardecs are really great fun in EvE, but:

• 200 "elite" people vs. 20 noob miners aren't fair (I know ... EVE)
• small strategical use (not like in SOV) maybe some logistical limitation
• merc's exploit (one char - 30d old - declare war, no **** given, then other people join corporation and kill one golem, that's all
• only kemping (I know ... EVE)

RESULT:
If you want to force people to join bigger groups, you don't Fozzie -SOV- right!? =), then this is not the way. I have corporation based in helping new players, but now I recommend them just to leave because we dont have any power to kill them in 5 frigs.
This lead to unfriendly mechanics in my opinion. Wardecs are mostly annoying than useful.

SOLUTION:
As I said wardecs are great, but it has to have some limitation, you are in HS!:

• corp or alli pay 5M for each player (P) to declare war.
• corp or alli recieve 2M for each player target (T)
• Minimum 50M maximum 5B

P-T = +-ISK <50M;5B>

So if is there 10 against 50 they will earn 50mil, but if it will be conversely they loose 230M (you can now split strategical use and wardecs for fun, it will also force corporations to clear themselves from nonactive members)

Sorry for my english, thx Alenn.

Except this is EVE so the CEO will keep all and the actual noobs won't even know about the mechanic and never ask for the money.

YES, EVE is hard but this is NOT a solution to this.

I don't see what the problem is here. It is only natural for predators to go after the small, weak, and defesneless.

And the comment about, "it's hi-sec, there should be limits" let me just say a few things...

- "one more nerf! one more nerf and everything will be better!"
No, it won't. You (or someone like you) will just be here in 6 months asking for another nerf.

- high-sec =/= safe.
People can kill you for whatever reason they deem legitimate... even if you do not. The same is true in any other area of space.

- by creating more combat restrictions in high-sec you actually make it psychologically harder for people to aclimate to low and null-sec... where there are functionlly no restrictions regarding combat (penalties, yes.... but people will still shoot despite them).

- think less about avoidance and more about how to inflict maximum frustration on your aggressors with minimal time, resources, and manpower.
Hint: ECM and sensor dampeners
Pro-tip: we do this in low sec against groups much larger and powerful than us.

A note on that '1 man wardec then 50 players join' thing.

Is that a real thing?

Also, why not have a portion of the wardec fee go to the defender? So a big fee for a large vs small group could at least have potential for fun to happen. Heavy risk aversion aside.

E: somewhat like he said in OP

So if I get wardecced, I have to bribe concord to look the other way for the week when I'm not the one that's paying concord off to look the other way? If anything give the defenders an option to end the war early (The earlier the more it would cost) if you wanted to create another isk sink around wardecs.

Letting a corp end a war early with ISK is a non-starter. All that would do is give richer and established corporations an ability to opt-out of wars that new players cannot afford. This would push wardeccers to target new players even more, the exact opposite of what this proposal is intending.

Giving some of the wardec fee to the defender is not a bad idea if it is tied to kills or otherwise encourages players to defend their corp to earn that ISK. It might help the truly new player, but the amounts are so small this mechanism wouldn't likely change much player behaviour.

Wars are a part of Eve and Eve is an PvP sandbox with few mechanisms to balance fights. It is not designed to be "fair". The best way to help new players is educate them to this reality, and get them into, or allies with, veteran corps who can teach them and assist them to defend themselves. Players need to understand that all of Eve is built on player conflict, and when you join or start a corporation you are opening yourself to another aspect of that conflict. Risk vs. reward and all that.

If you don't want that then use the mechanism CCP has given you to opt-out of wars: the NPC corp.

The war mechanics are good. I think it's ok to give the noobs a harsh leason, some times it makes them stronger.

I like to think of a war as a prison. A pending one is like a new prison bus arriving to drop of some new flesh. And we're the big black dudes waiting for them. Some of them may be ok but those other ones you gotta beat their ass up with a flip flop and make them suck some ****. So they know whachu about.

All of you asked some real questions thank you. I know that removing CONCORD would be the best solution, but we have it so deal with it.

It's not increasing fees, it's otherwise: Now if alliance (1500 members) gets wardecked from corp (50) they will pay fee 50+1450M (500M)?

You can see that they are going to be outnumbered
and will pay half plex, which is 10M for one.

Change your side and alli pay 50M, which is 33k for one member (5B limit is pretty high I admit, but in NS you spend it only for logistics for one week)


"All that matters is that one stood against many." You can still reward this effort
Its like when USA sending weapons to weaker opponent just for extension war, you can put here some NPC & political profits ect. to justify this "rewarding" weaker sides.

Lokar Griman that my point, you should't play eve on expense on others "FUN".

You're the first person that I've ever seen with that attitude in the 4½ years of playing...

I personally think the wardeccing system is completely broken.

I agree that wardecs are terrible for newb corps. My first corp was destroyed be a bunch of griefers who used every underhanded trick in the book: Spies, out of corp alt scouts and fleet boosters. They had someone online to keep us pinned down 24/7. I couldn't use the MWD/cloak trick yet to get throuh gates, so my only really good option was to not log in and wait it out. That is terrible for the game.

I question the value of wardecs at all since they are almost exclusively used for griefing, but if they must exist, I think that the aggressors should be made much more vulnerable. CONCORD should take no ACTIVE measures against them by warping in and shooting their ships, but they should get suspect timers whenever they aggress a war target, and the reverse should not be true.

This will make newb corps less vulnerable, because the aggressor will always have to consider the possibility that those random battleships traveling through system may be the newb's alts, friends, or just aggressive players looking for a fight.