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Carnyx release - General feedback

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Arch-Magus Mephisto
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1281 - 2015-06-06 19:54:51 UTC
I am certain CCP knows full well that the player base feels very strongly that the new overview icons are not going well. Thus making immediate plans to revert to either the old scheme or to come up with a design in record speed that actually works.


Please, this is actually important.


Also regarding Fozie Sov: Please do not let sovereignty turn into a game of pest play.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1282 - 2015-06-06 20:04:41 UTC
In case I haven't said this already, the new icons are terrible, and they should be rolled back entirely.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Spc One
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#1283 - 2015-06-06 20:21:10 UTC
Arch-Magus Mephisto wrote:
Also regarding Fozie Sov: Please do not let sovereignty turn into a game of pest play.

We will see a fleet of 3 noob ships take systems.
Cool
Natya Mebelle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1284 - 2015-06-06 20:45:57 UTC
It is weekend anyway, so the soonest, reasonable timeframe for a member of CCP to post something, would be Monday afternoon, GMT.
maredelsilenzio
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1285 - 2015-06-06 21:15:19 UTC
Thanks guys!

I can proudly report that I'm out of the game for 4 days now. I realized that I spend too much time online and I tried everything to play less, but all my efforts were fruitless. However, as from the moment you had successfully deployed Carnyx, I finally found my inner strength to quit.

My special thanks goes to the person responsible for the new icons set design as well to many of you developers, blind and deaf to all unhappy comments on this tread, that was the key of my success.

Do you by any chance have any suggestion how can I quit smoking?
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#1286 - 2015-06-06 22:26:22 UTC
Lahnius wrote:
E6o5 wrote:
day one of the War: Tyler Durden Demolitions vs. C C P Alliance: they choose to stay docked, probably due to crappy icons.



hahahahaha ... good one ... i can hear it now:

CCP Pilot1: ok these new icons ... which one is the war target?

CCP Pilot2: the red ones duh!

CCP Pilot1: wait, thats a NPC, im confused!

CCP Pilot2: oh damnit, we should have done this better!



ok that was mean of me ... im sorry ... lol ... Shocked


The new Eve mini-game: PvPvCCP thread-dec. They're not undocking, hmmmm.... Ingame that has a name. It's not a nice one. I'm waiting for that 'classic icon' option, but my patience has limits. I gave these eye-straino-vision a solid 3+ hours today, doing more than nomming space rocks. Nope, they really do need to go away, or at least give that choice opt-out.

I'm not 'getting used' to a painful skull, right eye socket, and flat out confusion/frustration figuring out what the kludge is what in a rat clearing mission. If CCP pays for Lasic surgery and all follow up appointments, along with pain med fill charges, then I'll fly silent on this. Until then, icons bad, give us a choice since we are paying customers. So far player made ideas for new icons hold more water than what we've had foisted on us.

One two three four, Baron and Serpent Productions declares thread war against C C P Alliance. Willing to cancel it as soon as 'classic icon' choice available. I can be reasonable.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.

Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#1287 - 2015-06-06 22:30:05 UTC
Olleybear wrote:
Natya Mebelle wrote:
I don't want to sound rude, but if this is not sarcasm but actual reality, then you might have a game addiction problem.


Gaming addiction? No such thing. * downs a Mtn Dew in one gulp *

Just the other day I was chatting with a corpie on coms when this very subject came up. During the convo he was complaining about hearing what I was doing in the bathroom because of my wireless mic. I just told him the wireless mic was necessary because there are some things that a bottle beside the computer desk just cant take care of.

He proceeded to point out that I might have a gaming problem because he overheard my conversation with the city official talking about how tall my grass was and how they were gonna charge me if they had to come out and cut it. Can you imagine the nerve of those people? I think I lost a few million isk on the market because of that interruption and I told the official I was going to look into getting that isk back when next I talked to my internet lawyer friend on Eve.

* grabs tissue to stop todays nose bleed while downing a Mtn Dew *

Anyways, the corpie also pointed out how I lost my job recently. He implied it was because of my forum warrioring while I was at work. I told him the boss was being unreasonable and I was looking for a new job anyway. Just like my last job. They actually tracked my total internet use and came up with some absurd numbers like my spending 6 hours a day commenting on the forums and how I wasn't productive as an employee. Yea, I left that place straight away.

* downs another Mtn Dew *

Haha! Did you see that? What? Yes, I'm fine. Why does everyone keep asking me that?

Gaming addiction. Pfft!!!


I miss Surge. Gamer fuel +1 for those of us that don't Jolt Cola. (chugs her bottle of Vault, opens the next from the flat sitting near the computer desk) What gaming addiction, that doesn't exist.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.

Catelyn Stoneheart
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1288 - 2015-06-06 22:52:12 UTC
Obligatory post saying I also hate the new icons. Give us an option to use the old ones if we want please!!!
Koba Kyogen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1289 - 2015-06-06 22:55:32 UTC
Catelyn Stoneheart wrote:
Obligatory post saying I also hate the new icons. Give us an option to use the old ones if we want please!!!


Yep. Make it happen CCP.
Louanne Barros
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1290 - 2015-06-07 00:35:26 UTC
In addition to being able to choose a highlight color (vs. the current hard-coded yellow), it would be nice if you could highlight the background, or the whole row of the overlay, similar to what you can configure for player ships.

Yellow would probably be fine if all the text were yellow, not just the icon.
Lantyss
Silver Shield
#1291 - 2015-06-07 01:12:42 UTC
By scrapping these ridiculous icons and reverting to the old ones, CCP could go a long way toward mitigating the damage it has done to its relationship with the player community. The new icons are awful!!! They really are.

CCP, as much as we all love this game, there are many others out there that treat their players with more respect.
ARMED1
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1292 - 2015-06-07 05:12:33 UTC
OK so for any of us who actually PVP and want to quickly and easily identify anything ship related, I have found one viable work around for the current terribad overview situation. I will share here so hopefully others can benefit from it as well.

1. Undock our ship and get safe.

2. Right click your overview menu and open "Overview Settings"

3. Go to the tab for "Appearance" and then to the subtab for "Background" this is where you can set a background color for other pilots. I suggest using the powder blue color that is currently the default for a pilot with a mutual engagement timer bc it is really only used for that and it wont conflict with other background colors.

4. Go to the box for a pilot who shares a mutual engagement timer and change the color for that background from the powder blue color to yellow (or whatever color you want)

5. Then sccroll toward the bottom of the background window. At the bottom you will see choices for all the non alliance and non corp affiliated pilots. They will read things like "Pilot has neutral standing" etc .etc. etc. Check all these boxes and then to the right change all these colors to the light powder blue color.

Once that is done any pilot who is not in your corp, in your alliance, criminal, suspect or mutual engagement timer should then show in light blue.

This will help because now anytime you are on grid with another pilot the background will show light blue for them and they wont get lost in the clutter. Of course use some common sense because my description is very general on how to do this. It wasnt meant to be a tutorial just a suggestion on a workaround.

Test your overview first in some non combat situations just to make sure its all ok.

Hope that helps others who were as frustrated as me. BTW just for CCP - I still hate the icons. And no change isnt ALWAYS good.
TuCZnak
Cyber Dong Industries
#1293 - 2015-06-07 05:30:34 UTC
Obligatory "I hate the icons too" post just so I don't feel bad for doing nothing when they decide everything is OK and old icons are not coming back. Tried them after Carnyx deployment for like 6 hours doing multiple things, haven't logged in since. Subs for all my accounts cancelled, since why pay for a game that's unplayable for me now, because devs actively broke it while knowing about the feedback from test server and scaling issues. And their answer is just "get used to it"...
Jeven HouseBenyo
Vanity Thy Name Is
#1294 - 2015-06-07 05:48:59 UTC
Few more security missions and selling junk runs, still not 'getting used' to the physical pain these icons are giving my poor skull and right eye socket. Nope, gimme back my 'classic icons' because this has gone beyond silly to headache inducing. All the corrective vision options I have won't solve this, CCP can by giving that option.

You're about to owe me for a bottle of Excedrin Migraine at this rate. Name brand pain killers are not cheap. Down to one account active, this is cramping researching BPOs style, killing ISK income, and infuriating me that the last reply was a few days ago with a memo of 'get used to them.'

Not. Happening.

Your customers are speaking. An option to use older icon set ASAP PDQ Nowzers.

>Jeven

Minny boat flyer, unofficial squeaky wheel.

'Game Ethics and Morality Monitor' I remember promises.

Snark at 11-24/7/365.25. Overshare? Yup.

Yes it's my fault. And if you don't staap it I'll do it again. ;-P

No you can't has my stuffs OR my SPs.

gargars
Willco Inc.
#1295 - 2015-06-07 06:32:28 UTC  |  Edited by: gargars
Normally I cut CCP a lot of slack, and yes change takes some getting used to... BUT.... after several days of playing....

The new icons are ridiculous. I can't see what purpose they provide, and I do not like to have to WORK in a game I have enjoyed for so long re-memorizing a bunch of hideous icons for no real reason. Eve is already too much like a second job. Why make that WORSE? Why ignore the feedback on sisi? Why ignore the feedback HERE?
Louanne Barros
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1296 - 2015-06-07 07:13:07 UTC
At least my overview setups are now more elite-pvp after Carnyx.
I've had to at last remove stargates and stations from my standard pvp tab.
MoonCat79
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1297 - 2015-06-07 07:20:40 UTC
i'd like the old icons back
bump bunny
Gallente Federation Logistics
#1298 - 2015-06-07 07:22:18 UTC
MoonCat79 wrote:
i'd like the old icons back


me too
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#1299 - 2015-06-07 07:33:28 UTC
gargars wrote:
Normally I cut CCP a lot of slack, and yes change takes some getting used to... BUT.... after several days of playing....

The new icons are ridiculous. I can't see what purpose they provide, and I do not like to have to WORK in a game I have enjoyed for so long re-memorizing a bunch of hideous icons for no real reason. Eve is already too much like a second job. Why make that WORSE? Why ignore the feedback on sisi? Why ignore the feedback HERE?



100% agree. The most upsetting part is that all of the feedback from the test server seems to have been completely ignored.

After several days, I too have a lot of issues distinguishing types. Please allow players to use the old set - they were completely fine and useable. My game experience is worse off for not being able to read the overview correctly.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?

Grubgrafter
Fortis fortuna adiuvat
#1300 - 2015-06-07 08:08:48 UTC
bump bunny wrote:
MoonCat79 wrote:
i'd like the old icons back


me too


me too