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4th day with new icons. They are as terrible as at release. May be more terrible. CCP, how about try EVE PvP? It may be some fun for you and save many of us from your brilliant ideas.

BTW - please, never, NEVER disable old map. New map unacceptable in PvP too. At least system map.

Ok. This is my point.

Old icons

The reason that nobody complains about them - there are no alternative. Do you complain about the sun? And if you have an option to choose other sun with less radiation but different light color (blue for example)?
Let's be honest - old icons were less informative then new (wait, keep read). Littile square, medium square (just +few pixels width) and etc.

New icons

I will pass problems with scale or other optical issues because it is technical problem and can be solved easily.
New icons much more informative. You do not have to strain your eyes to distinguish cruiser from destroyer.

Problem
Old ship icons had one big +
If you saw square in overview you instantly understand that this is a player ship. No other icon was not like an icon of the ship.
But some icons ships are too similar to the icons of other objects. Industrial ship are very close in shape to a circle. The carrier is too different from the other shapes.
I didnt count but ~1/3 ship icons doesnt follow main theme - triangle. Because of this we have mess on our screens that need more time to recognize who is who.

Second problem - NPC. Other shape which is radically different from. It is not enough just to paint a different color and fill icon. Because people are not the same. Someone has vision problems , some not so good to determinate a color.

Solution
The best thing and the right decision to allow users to customize the icons. Just give us pool of icons and an option to set any icon to ship type, celestial or other object. It is also a good opportunity to paint icons.

If you for any reason dont want to give us that option so return to 1-st ISIS icons variation with some improvments for NPC icons.
But main point is that ship icons should not be like anything else but must stick to their theme. If this arrow - that all vessels in varying degrees should be arrows.
It should not be such that some ships have triangle-style icons. Other - rounded and etc.

I can answer that:

The graphic shaders are a bittersweet taste because of all the dirt that came with it. Dirt on ships is stupid.
The newly rendered preview icons look like so many ships are stuck with an armor hardener active, with all that golden-ish glow around them.
The very Hyperion you named is still a sad relic of old, because back in the days it had 8 turret slots, making the 4x2 socket layout on aft and nose a lot more sensible. Now with only 6 highslots, it looks broken.
Model update on the Caracal would be nicer if it wasn't looking so fragile now, which takes away the bulky blocky design the Caldari have. The Cerberus model does not follow the Tech2 ship design philosophy of "Tech2 ships have slight model differences to them." Or I am too blind to see them?
The Jackdaw looks horrible, like a twig of a satellite without solar panels. CCP seems to go a very nonsensical, weird way with all their "everything needs to have moving stuff" tendencies. The Jackdaw looks like one of those fragile toys that break when you grip them firmly and the animations (like with all t3 destroyers) bear no meaning to what the mode actually does.
Sovereignty. It is too early to tell how it really will work out, so no reason for early praise or naysaying.
New wormholes... fine I guess? More systems are always an uncertain thing. In theory more space for more people, but in practice it often means that big entities get even bigger.
Sentry rebalance is not fixing the actual problem that goes along with it.
Performance decrease and reports of crashes during alt+tab are not helping players appreciate the good things.

...I stop here for a moment and try to think about the REALLY good things that came with this release. Oh yes, the "fit" button when looking at a fit is handy, and Kronos police skin is nice, although I am not sure about the others. The police skin is completely out of the way of regular paintings, but I do have a real problem with skins and tech1 / tech2 variance. The Ardishapur skins have the same exact colour scheme as Viziam for example, and Viziam is solely reserved for Amarr tech2 ships. That is only one of many. This is probably becoming less of an issue when all tech2 hulls have a distinct visual difference to their tech1 counterpart, more than they had before. For example, Stealth Bombers.
But looking at the Caracal and the Cerberus, my hopes go down that this is still a goal that would be pursued.

What was the question again? oh yes, why do people complain so much... well, anyone who cannot even log in, has the benefit of not even seeing the bad things. And eve is a game that could as well be called "Overview online" and if you change something so crucial like overview icons, which are something that almost everybody has to deal with so often... it is hard to enjoy the other good things.

Edit:

I will not lift a finger if I'm not getting a reward for it. I'm here to play a game, not do the work for developers for free, even though I am already doing way too much. Milking playerbase efforts without rewards is just abuse of good will.
And we don't even know if the engine supports all 4 scales individually, as I mentioned repeatedly. We do not know the technical limitations of the overview, it might as well be legacy code as well.

Icons aside, there terrible btw, what's with the lag now, everythings slow ? Gate jumping, entering a station, even the planetary map ?

So what is the ETA on reverting to old icon system??

anybody??

60 pages not enough to you??

You need Dostoievsky up here to write some 2678 pages more?

yes, i already got that after your first feedback. i was just trying to take the feedback into account, that i got so far. but in general it's as i said: my icons aren't perfect at all. but i was trying to show that ccp could simply improve the old icons, wich were consistent and everybody was used to, instead of creating something completely different. i thought doing it visually would be more helpful than all these "mimimi, the devs are ****" posts.





i continued playing around in photoshop yesterday and in 14x14 there is not enough space in the middle to place the difference there. so i tried placing a little letter in the top left corner and brackets in the other corners. for destroyers or battlecruisers i put a little plus next to the letter. so then it was S,S+,M,M+,L,C,D,T. the letter had no anti aliasing and was well readable even if it was scaled. so i guess this would work but it doesn't look very nice. specially with the plus.

then i tried something with a little triangle in the top left corner followed by diagonal lines. the more lines, the bigger the ship. and again, there was not enough space. then i did a little triangle in each corner wich just get bigger for bigger ships (s,m,l,xl) and added a dot in the center for destroyer and battlecruisers. then i tried the same with brackets instead of triangles and this was finally what i would consider a good solution to this. it follows a sheme that all of us know, it doesn't care about a colortag, it has good scalability and is small enough. here it is: http://i.imgur.com/xIpQUFU.png

i'm not trying to do CCP's work here, i'm just trying to give some usable feedback that makes sense because in general i'm really open to new stuff but these new brackets are cutting down the playability of the game (specially for PVP) in my opinion and it's important for me to do something about it.


unfortunately it looks like ccp isn't even reading here anymore.

I'm not bashing on you, don't worry c: Please don't ever think that.
The reason why I give seemingly more feedback to you than to CCP is, because you're apparently not in the design business, which is why I want you to understand the ins and outs and the important differences and how many things there are to consider c:


Well, if you only rely on 14x14, then of course we need a mandatory extra other than the bracket to know what ships we're actually seeing. Now, in terms of using shapes, this might be considered a step backwards by some, but I bear with you for the moment to give you another example:
Why do you rely on letters with a + for intermediate sizes? Instead, you could simply use extra shapes on the top left corner, and those shapes can be based on the 9 variations of a + that I mentioned earlier, or other abstracts of parts of a 2x2 cube attached one pixel away on the inner side of the upper left bracket.

But let me get back to icon real estate:
Centered in the frame, a 14x14 sized bracket with 1px thickness while adding a 9x9 tag on the bottom right which as a 1px overlap to the borders, and with 1px spacing between the top left bracket and whatever else you add then, it means you have 5x5 hard limit to work with, while hitting the very center of the icon. So for legibility reasons, it will boil down to 3x3 or 4x4. Rather 3x3 if we're honest. That is your workspace for distinction with this solution. It doesn't get any better than that.
But any icon optimized for a 3x3 or 4x4 shape, is likely completely destroyed when you have to subtract one pixel in size, which is likely going to happen when scaling down, except we risk to keep it exactly the same size and simple nudge the brackets closer together by 1px and also eat up that extra space towards the center we've left free intentionally.


Mostly what I said above and I would need to see that because in my head, the dot is not only too close to the tag, but also needs to be of significant size to be visible. And at that point, we're conflicting with structure icons again.

Which reminds me, if you stick with 14x14 brackets, what are you going to do with industrials, barges, Freighters, shuttles, etc? Just saying c:

I am curious if you have read the previous sisi feedback topics on the icons. If not, you might want to look at them.

And again, I want to make sure that you do not think I'm devaluing your efforts or bashing on your attempts c: You seem to be genuinely interested and wanting to try something out, so I rather respond to you than that other mockup that was based on the new icons, which is barely any improvement at all.

The reason why I have not brought my own set of high quality mockups is... because it would be work. I'm not doing things half-hearted, so when I sit down to something, I'm doing it all and make it all work on a professional level. So the reasons why I don't do that is simple: it is work, and I'm not getting paid for my efforts. It does not fill my little belly and does not pay my bills. If CCP wants to reward designers for good effort and final prizes individually? I'm game.
But if you read my previous posts, you probably get a good idea how my goals would look like IF I sit down to design them in the OLD way c:
I still think they should have also changed how the overview works first, before bringing in new icons. There would be so much more freedom of design and visibility if we can put the tags AND the target stuff OUT of the icon frame WITHOUT needing more vertical space.

Now, I've received a few private mails and chat messages along these lines, if I'm a CCP employee or if I would want to work for them. Well I'm not employed by CCP. Would I be willing to work for them? Maybe, sure. Do I know the hours of overtime, the lack of sleep, and the hardships that come along with producing and maintaining a video game? I do.
Being part of a video game company is a the thrilling rollercoaster combination of the best time of your life mixed with your worst nightmares and highest stress levels. Squared. Without preparation, it will be a death by a thousand paper cuts.
Community moderators even have it worse. They cannot decide to retreat back to their workspace. Their work IS the forum.


Only because they are not posting does not mean they are not reading. You would be surprised c:

Three days now. Please tell me when I log in the ghastly target icons in the overview are now fixed. You must do this thing. It's awful.

Simpler is sometimes better.

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Kinda Medium

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It's real Big


Holy Crap! It's Huge!


This is a simple but effective breakdown of what it should be. The icons in question should clearly tell you this. Not confuse you as it has since the patch went active.

Horrible patch...

Game is slow and I run on a fast machine & net. Much slower and more glitchy than pre-patch.

Caracal looks like a stomped on male member now...

New icons are a tremendous fail and they all run together. It is like Monopoly game pieces came to roost in my overview. DO NOT PASS GO AND DO NOT COLLECT $200 (Or the salary for whoever made this icon change).

Hmmm what else - oh yeah did I say the game is more glitchy now, slower and the icons are awful?

On top of that OP Jackdaw is out now YAY - whilst the other D3s have been previously nerfed. Way to go CCP wonderful job.

MWDs have new names - so what - who cares - at least it makes sense when you meta up now.

Oh but the new shaders look great and we can now see the dirt on our ships even better. Wait - maybe the extra mass of the dirt is what causes the new lag!

Well, that's what I do :D

Two things before I let others give opinion on this first, because I'm out of time writing for most of the day now.

First: http://i.imgur.com/aqTViHA.png . I'm still curious what you want to do with freighters, industrials, barges, etc.

Second: 90% scale is reducing all icons by 2px in total size, so I was accurate with my estimate of 1pixel loss in the corner. A 14x14 becomes 12x12. Good luck c:

So in short, I don't think this is going to cut it when you consider other things. It MIGHT look good at first glance. But... you know. It is different when you have to take EVERYTHING else into consideration WHILE playing the game, not just looking at a standalone excerpt.


Let me put it this way...
I've written more than 30.000 characters of concise information like that "fact" post I did shortly ago, while adding 60 pictures just as starmap feedback. And I was not even done.
I'm in the works to restructure the opportunities and rework the entire new player experience from the ground up, while releasing a "damage control" guide for new players shortly.
Only when that is done, and I still feel the icons, I MIGHT make a complete mockup. I mean, if I have any sanity left at that point c:
That is why I said I'm already too invested without getting anything for it.