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Dev Blog: New SKINS This Summer

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CCP Logibro
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C C P Alliance
#1 - 2015-06-04 15:38:04 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
More SKINs are on their way this Summer! Come take a look at the shiny new Marauders or the sleek Sisters of EVE ships we'll have on offer in the New Eden Store soon. CCP FoxFour also goes into some details about why the SKINs system works as it currently does. For all the details, read the blog!

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Destoya
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Pandemic Legion
#2 - 2015-06-04 16:19:02 UTC
No mention of the ridiculous price structure?
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#3 - 2015-06-04 16:22:24 UTC
Destoya wrote:
No mention of the ridiculous price structure?


We are still evaluating that. We are trying different things as well. See the Marauders and the first bundle. You can get all 4 at a discounted price for example. So no, no comment on the pricing. I am sure however that it will be a continuously evolving thing.

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Kenneth Feld
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Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2015-06-04 16:23:02 UTC
LEVIATHAN


and also the Rag


But mainly,

LEVIATHAN


You make Caldari cry with no skins.....
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#5 - 2015-06-04 16:24:44 UTC
Kenneth Feld wrote:
LEVIATHAN


and also the Rag


But mainly,

LEVIATHAN


You make Caldari cry with no skins.....


Quote:
With that in mind we are aiming to have four new designer SKINs out this summer. Two for Minmatar and two for Caldari as those two empires have the least number of SKINs available right now.


;)

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Kenneth Feld
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#6 - 2015-06-04 16:31:35 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:
LEVIATHAN


and also the Rag


But mainly,

LEVIATHAN


You make Caldari cry with no skins.....


Quote:
With that in mind we are aiming to have four new designer SKINs out this summer. Two for Minmatar and two for Caldari as those two empires have the least number of SKINs available right now.


;)



That still puts Minnie and Caldari woefully behind

Avatar has 2 and Aeon has 2

Levi and Rag - zero and Wyvern and Hel - 1 each

Even adding 2 more per race gets us to one behind and that is if they are both for SC/T and not other ships

Lets hope they are amazing and we don't need a choice......
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2015-06-04 16:34:29 UTC
Kenneth Feld wrote:
CCP FoxFour wrote:
Kenneth Feld wrote:
LEVIATHAN


and also the Rag


But mainly,

LEVIATHAN


You make Caldari cry with no skins.....


Quote:
With that in mind we are aiming to have four new designer SKINs out this summer. Two for Minmatar and two for Caldari as those two empires have the least number of SKINs available right now.


;)



That still puts Minnie and Caldari woefully behind

Avatar has 2 and Aeon has 2

Levi and Rag - zero and Wyvern and Hel - 1 each

Even adding 2 more per race gets us to one behind and that is if they are both for SC/T and not other ships

Lets hope they are amazing and we don't need a choice......




True it's still not 100% equal but it's a large percentage closer than we are now. :) One step at a time.

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Caiman Graystock
Starways Congress
#8 - 2015-06-04 16:36:26 UTC
I appreciate the time taken to pre-empt and address the issues of applying any skin to any ship as the issues last month allowed us for a brief period. I really do hope at some point, as you've noted lore is not a blocking factor, we'll be able to apply skins from caldari corps to amarr ships and so on and so forth.

I have to agree, the price structure needs looking at, I understand why some skins for the same ship might be more expensive than others but the decision on which skins that applies to seems to be really arbitrary and ungrounded in anything, even lore.

Finally, I like the idea of 'designer' skins and why not, it fits the lore just fine as far as I am concerned. You definitely need to open that up to the community at some point, there are some really talented and capable artists out here who I am sure would love the opportunity to design a skin to be sold within the game. I am not suggesting you build skin designing functions into the core game, but taking submissions your artists/programmers can add to the game could surely work?
Alexis Nightwish
#9 - 2015-06-04 16:37:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexis Nightwish
Dev Blog wrote:
Another concern of allowing any SKIN on any ship is making Tech 1 ships resemble Tech 2 ships which would have visual gameplay implications. While deciding what SKINs to offer in the release of this feature we carefully selected SKINs for ships by making sure that if we offered a SKIN for that ship the same look was not used by its Tech 2 counterpart. This is the reason why for example there is no Sarum SKIN for the Apocalypse, as it would too closely resemble the Paladin.
Okay everyone who looks at a ship to determine what it is rather than your overview raise your hands!

Anyone?

Anyone?

No, of course not because that would be ******* re-tarded!

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Aliventi
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#10 - 2015-06-04 16:38:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Aliventi
The things that bothers me the most (aside from the insanely high pricing) about the SKINs is that it is one SKIN for a specific ship. What is stopping you from doing a X Frigate SKIN that will apply to all frigates? You can disallow the SKIN from being applied to any ship it hasn't been tested for, and unlock more hulls when it is tested/fixed. So you could release a Lai Dai BS SKIN, disallow it permanently for the Raven (looks to close the the Golem), disallow it temporarily for the Abaddon. When the Abaddon is tested and fixed you can unlock it. That would be a much better way IMO than releasing hundreds of SKINs that only apply to single ships. More people would probably purchase them as they provide more fun and freedom eventually, even if they only apply to a few ships right now.

We need to talk about the price structure. I think the best way to go about it would be to cap the prices based upon hull size. There is no reason for a frigate SKIN to cost more than a PLEX. Cap Frig SKINs at 1/4 or 1/3 of a PLEX. Cap Supercapital SKINs at 1-1.5 PLEX.

The biggest issue, IMO, that players have is the lack of freedom for the SKINs and the crazy prices for some of them. Please take the time to fix these issue. Feel free to allow us to give feedback on these things.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#11 - 2015-06-04 16:39:22 UTC
Quote:
In the above image the Wyvern has the Ishukone SKIN applied but doesn't get the gold to black fade that is a signature feature of the Ishukone SKIN.


Well, you write that, but the new Rhea has seen any form of fade removed in Carnyx, so...

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CCP FoxFour
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C C P Alliance
#12 - 2015-06-04 16:39:23 UTC
Caiman Graystock wrote:
Finally, I like the idea of 'designer' skins and why not, it fits the lore just fine as far as I am concerned. You definitely need to open that up to the community at some point, there are some really talented and capable artists out here who I am sure would love the opportunity to design a skin to be sold within the game. I am not suggesting you build skin designing functions into the core game, but taking submissions your artists/programmers can add to the game could surely work?


Oh man we have some really cool ideas for this kind of thing! They are a long ways away but it's fun to dream!

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CCP Darwin
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C C P Alliance
#13 - 2015-06-04 16:39:31 UTC
Great stuff, and exciting to be able to contemplate a wider range of possible ship looks in the future!

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#14 - 2015-06-04 16:43:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Altrue
You are worried about skinned T1 ships looking too much like T2 ships. I'd go even further down the road and rollback any skin that is from a T2 manufacturer.

There is an infinite combinaison of colors out there, no need to put T2 colors on T1 hulls, even if there isn't a corresponding T2 hull/manufacturer combo. I.E the Lai Dai Moa.

Just use more designer SKINs if you are running short of non-T2 manufacturer colors.

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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-06-04 16:47:07 UTC
Please, PLEASE, make a sensible pricing structure.
X for Frigates,
Y for Battleships,
etc..

Having Frigates cost as much as Supers, and one BC costing more than 2 BC's and a BS, is just silly.. it's also out of line with other pricing structures in Eve, from say, LP stores. Navy BS's cost XYZ, they don't differ because a Navy Raven is more popular than say, a Navy Mega, thus it costs more LP.. No. The NES shouldn't be priced based on how popular you think a skin may be, or any other reasons that haven't been revealed. It should be laid out with a scaling pricing structure, along with the odd sales :)

Also why not add some more skins obtainable via in-game means.. The 30 Day drops are one thing, though I personally won't bother with them.. but how about some more via LP Stores? Mission rewards? Rewards for gaining a specific standing with a Corp/Faction? Any of this in the works? Before it's been said it's possible, but I'd like to know if it's planned, or just something that could be done, but isn't going to happen, at least any time in the foreseeable future.




Now onto the next topic, actually the one that was the biggest question when the new Skin Blog was promised to us by CCP Falcon a Month ago.
Skins crossing racial lines.

There's no mention of this in your blog, apart from mentioning QA.
Will we some/all skins be made available across racial lines? Will I ever see my Quafe Paladin back? Or an Interbus Avatar? Syndicate Provi? Etc.. People used Lore as an excuse, but really, this is painting ships. There's nothing, NOTHING, that stops me from buying a Toyota, and painting it like a classic Mustang.. I see no reason why it should exist in Eve either. We don't need to see the Sarum Family logo on a Tempest, but the colour scheme, there's no reason not to allow it in my books.

Also the whole idea of skins to look like T2, or T2 skins making it look T1.. Sorry, no one actually looks at an enemy ship to see what class it is.. Maybe to see how it's armed, or just to look, but you don't look at frigs one by one to see which is an Interceptor, and with is just a basic T1 one lol.


Victory Rattlesnake. When is this getting converted into the skin? Initially it was indicated that this would happen soon after the original SKIN release, so I had assumed it was gonna be this patch, but it wasn't.. any ETA on that? Is it being reconsidered? (I hope not)..


Lastly..
Quafe Kronos. I know it's done. It's been done since Dec. Give it to me and I'll never ***** about skins again :D
Damen Apol
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#16 - 2015-06-04 16:51:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Damen Apol
I don't think a single player cares that the ishukonoeneon skin on unintended ships doesn't look like an ishkasdfuakone skin.

I think what they care about is having variety in their ships. Which you have taken away after it has been dangled in front of the players' face
CCP FoxFour
C C P
C C P Alliance
#17 - 2015-06-04 16:52:57 UTC
Sniper Smith wrote:
Please, PLEASE, make a sensible pricing structure.
X for Frigates,
Y for Battleships,
etc..

Having Frigates cost as much as Supers, and one BC costing more than 2 BC's and a BS, is just silly.. it's also out of line with other pricing structures in Eve, from say, LP stores. Navy BS's cost XYZ, they don't differ because a Navy Raven is more popular than say, a Navy Mega, thus it costs more LP.. No. The NES shouldn't be priced based on how popular you think a skin may be, or any other reasons that haven't been revealed. It should be laid out with a scaling pricing structure, along with the odd sales :)

Also why not add some more skins obtainable via in-game means.. The 30 Day drops are one thing, though I personally won't bother with them.. but how about some more via LP Stores? Mission rewards? Rewards for gaining a specific standing with a Corp/Faction? Any of this in the works? Before it's been said it's possible, but I'd like to know if it's planned, or just something that could be done, but isn't going to happen, at least any time in the foreseeable future.




Now onto the next topic, actually the one that was the biggest question when the new Skin Blog was promised to us by CCP Falcon a Month ago.
Skins crossing racial lines.

There's no mention of this in your blog, apart from mentioning QA.
Will we some/all skins be made available across racial lines? Will I ever see my Quafe Paladin back? Or an Interbus Avatar? Syndicate Provi? Etc.. People used Lore as an excuse, but really, this is painting ships. There's nothing, NOTHING, that stops me from buying a Toyota, and painting it like a classic Mustang.. I see no reason why it should exist in Eve either. We don't need to see the Sarum Family logo on a Tempest, but the colour scheme, there's no reason not to allow it in my books.

Also the whole idea of skins to look like T2, or T2 skins making it look T1.. Sorry, no one actually looks at an enemy ship to see what class it is.. Maybe to see how it's armed, or just to look, but you don't look at frigs one by one to see which is an Interceptor, and with is just a basic T1 one lol.


Victory Rattlesnake. When is this getting converted into the skin? Initially it was indicated that this would happen soon after the original SKIN release, so I had assumed it was gonna be this patch, but it wasn't.. any ETA on that? Is it being reconsidered? (I hope not)..


Lastly..
Quafe Kronos. I know it's done. It's been done since Dec. Give it to me and I'll never ***** about skins again :D


On the cross racial stuff: It is something that could happen. Lore is not stopping us. Right now the reason it doesn't happen is performance and technical. To get faction SKINs to work properly cross race however would require basically remaking it and having the Quafe skin for Gallente and the Quafe skin for Caldari. That same effort could go into making new SKINs, which is what we have chosen to do at this time.

Victory Rattlesnake: Hopefully this summer, but no promise on that.

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CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#18 - 2015-06-04 17:00:25 UTC
Altrue wrote:
Well, you write that, but the new Rhea has seen any form of fade removed in Carnyx, so...

The gold stripes on the Rhea fade to black across the width of the ship in Medium and High shader settings. In Low shader settings, the gold stripes are absent, however. Are you set to Low shader settings?

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins
stoicfaux
#19 - 2015-06-04 17:03:25 UTC
I will be interested in ship skins when the Red Baron's Flying Circus is a reality in Eve.

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Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-06-04 17:05:45 UTC
CCP FoxFour wrote:
On the cross racial stuff: It is something that could happen. Lore is not stopping us. Right now the reason it doesn't happen is performance and technical. To get faction SKINs to work properly cross race however would require basically remaking it and having the Quafe skin for Gallente and the Quafe skin for Caldari. That same effort could go into making new SKINs, which is what we have chosen to do at this time.

Victory Rattlesnake: Hopefully this summer, but no promise on that.

I hope it does happen, even if not in the near future. I get the idea that you shouldn't see a Caldari Navy Domi, but corp skins, I see no reason not to spread them around.. given most corps exist in all the empires :) Actually it would make sense that a corp, even if Amarr in Origin, would use Gal, or Caldari, or whatever ships for some of their stuff in those empires.. Local ships, parts, etc.. Just building my case it all :p

That and the Quafe skin goes well on just about anything :D
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