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Carnyx release - General feedback

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Menz Agitat
Glowing Goat
Black Fence.
#841 - 2015-06-03 19:14:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Menz Agitat
I hate the new icons. I presume a manager has a girlfriend who needs to feel usefull and is making us icons...
Tewilligar
Operational Urban Zion Order
#842 - 2015-06-03 19:26:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tewilligar
I seriously have to ask...

Are these inane icons here to stay?

we have all put up with a lot of changes over the years but this is rediculous.

if they are here to stay, will there be an option to remove them from my hard disk and use classic icons, afterall it is me looking at them. Basically if its just me that can see the "old icons" where is the problem?

That's all.
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
#843 - 2015-06-03 19:28:21 UTC
Problem: Frigates-Destroyers and Cruisers-Battlecruisers are hard to differentiate in the overview.
Solution: Change the entire icon set in the game into something terrible.

There are all our dominion

Gate camps: "Its like the lowsec watercooler, just with explosions and boose" - Ralph King-Griffin
Rowells
Blackwater USA Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#844 - 2015-06-03 19:30:19 UTC
for the icons, is it possible to allow the asteroids themselves to be seen on the screen? they have a neat new icon in overview but you have to click on it to actually see its loacation in space (unless you're running a killer machine to view from a distance).
Yogsoloth
Fliet Pizza Delivery
Of Essence
#845 - 2015-06-03 19:32:51 UTC
Outside of the Sov changes this patch was a collossal waste of time and is now causing major inconveniences for the majority of the playerbase.

Nobody was calling for new icons, and new players will not benefit at all from them. All you've done with them is caused confusion and delay amongst the majority of your paying playerbase.

Tiercide on the modules once again was unecessary and poorly implemented.

I love logging in and having to refit all 100 ships in my hangar cause someone totally disconnected from active players thinks it's a good idea to make everyone refit all their ships for no real good reason.

Much like another poster, I logged in, saw that I had to refit the majority of my prop mods and redo fittings, undocked to see how horrible the icons were and logged out.

GJ
Mari Camos
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#846 - 2015-06-03 19:33:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Mari Camos
The new ship icons are really, really bad. I mean... really bad.

1. They look too much alike to other icons in the overview -> easily confused to other stuff in OV -> other capsuleers in the overview cannot be seen clearly enough!
2. They are not as visible in space as the old, square coloured ones
3. NPC (CONCORD, Faction Police...) and PC ships get messed up at the gates

This was really not good for the PVP community.

Let the lager decide what is wrong, what is right.
Tyr Dolorem
State War Academy
Caldari State
#847 - 2015-06-03 19:37:00 UTC
I'll bet highsec level 4 runners who never pvp are loving being able to differentiate between frigates and destroyer rats 1 second quicker than before though. I guess that makes up for the clusterfuck it causes in pvp.
xXchochiXx
Industrial Mining and Mayhem
Sigma Grindset
#848 - 2015-06-03 19:37:26 UTC
overview symbols horrible please change back or make useful not like weird shapes their all just bad all very bad
Panterata
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#849 - 2015-06-03 19:39:00 UTC
Yogsoloth wrote:

Nobody was calling for new icons, and new players will not benefit at all from them.


Yea...please make EVE Online for Noobies game separate from EVE Online. There you can make whatever changes, patches you wish and you will not mess in EVE Online. And the new players must convene.
Steijn
Quay Industries
#850 - 2015-06-03 19:40:24 UTC
Tyr Dolorem wrote:
I'll bet highsec level 4 runners who never pvp are loving being able to differentiate between frigates and destroyer rats 1 second quicker than before though. I guess that makes up for the clusterfuck it causes in pvp.


at 90% UI there is no difference, once red rats go flashy everything is just a red blurred blob.
Marek Melkan
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#851 - 2015-06-03 19:41:37 UTC
The icons are pretty cool.
They are going to need some getting used to, that's for sure but it's nice to be able to differentiate between frigs and dessies, etc at a glance.
I feel for the people who complain that they can't make the difference. I'm guessing it's time for a new set of glasses maybe :)
(I'm going to get at least one character attack for that last one)

The caracal is ugly. It was ugly before. Now it's ugly with style. So +1!

Looking forward to doing some explo, the many spoilers make that look Awesome!

All in all, thanks CCP.

I read a few people had issues with the download getting stuck at 2.05Gb and not doing anything. Just kill the launcher and start it again. It does another small download and then works fine.

Happy EVEing everyone!
Eddie Mayer
Primus Inc.
#852 - 2015-06-03 19:43:51 UTC
Option for classic icons please !!
Tewilligar
Operational Urban Zion Order
#853 - 2015-06-03 19:46:13 UTC
Marek Melkan wrote:
The icons are pretty cool.
They are going to need some getting used to, that's for sure but it's nice to be able to differentiate between frigs and dessies, etc at a glance.
I feel for the people who complain that they can't make the difference. I'm guessing it's time for a new set of glasses maybe :)
(I'm going to get at least one character attack for that last one)

The caracal is ugly. It was ugly before. Now it's ugly with style. So +1!

Looking forward to doing some explo, the many spoilers make that look Awesome!

All in all, thanks CCP.

I read a few people had issues with the download getting stuck at 2.05Gb and not doing anything. Just kill the launcher and start it again. It does another small download and then works fine.

Happy EVEing everyone!


You should have gone to specsavers!
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#854 - 2015-06-03 19:51:07 UTC
Natya Mebelle wrote:

Dersen Lowery wrote:
I can't speak to visual problems: even at my age (mid-40s), my astigmatic eyes can make the icons out clearly at 100% scaling without glasses and without headaches.

I like the consistency of the designs. I love that NPCs use the same icon set. I like that it's now easy to tell destroyers from cruisers from battlecruisers (or, in the case of rats, to tell frigates from destroyers).
Like I mentioned to someone else before, I'm glad you don't have these problems with your age and eye condition, but that does not mean everyone else has the same luck. Especially since you are playing on 100% UI scale, you are shielded from half the issues these new icons are bringing. I invite you to change the UI scale to either 90% or 110% and see how you like them then after a couple of hours? c:


I did say that I can't speak to visual problems, not that there objectively aren't any. I clarified that I'm an older player with diagnosed astigmatism to avoid the snarky comments about being young with perfect vision. I can only wish for my 16-year-old eyes back.

I also said that I thought CCP would be done after they've fixed the scaling issue. They've acknowledged that their scaling algorithm needs to be replaced wholesale.

Dersen Lowery wrote:
I do agree with you as well about the distinction between destroyer and frigate. Most of the people would agree that we would need more distinguished ship icons, but also most people say the way it has been implemented and the choice of designs was not ideal.


Nothing is. It took me about 20 minutes to get used to the ship icons and notice the thematic differences in the icon designs, so for me it's a straight improvement.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!
Kelur Hunter
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#855 - 2015-06-03 19:56:27 UTC
Steijn wrote:
first impression, new overview icons are *****!!!!!!! absolutely awful.
I agree, they are very awful, and they need a rework immediately!Evil
Wiccerakith
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#856 - 2015-06-03 19:59:18 UTC
also ich gratuliere was habt ihr denn für n schlechten **** geraucht das euch diese symbole eingefallen sind.... und gleich vorweg !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AN DEN SCHROTT WILL ICH MICH NICHT MAL IM ANSATZ GEWÖHNEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mal davon ab das der mist für verzögerungen im spiel sorgt nein die symbole sind zudem noch grotten häßlich und verwirrend ..
hätte da mal ne idee für euch wenn ihr die sooo toll findet malt euch die aufs auto an euer haus oder auf die wand aber bitte belästigt uns damit nicht weiter oder gebt uns die wahl die alten zeichen nutzen zu können.
und das bitte gestern !!!!
Ragnar Rancidbreeks
SYNDIC Unlimited
#857 - 2015-06-03 20:03:05 UTC
Panterata wrote:

Yea...please make EVE Online for Noobies game separate from EVE Online.


+2 so long as they get *no* loot, *no* salvage, and must pay 2x tax to their corp until they declare themselves not noobs any more.

Oh, and are crim-tagged at *all* times outside a noob-starter system

Twisted
Taru Audeles
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#858 - 2015-06-03 20:03:26 UTC
CCP Surge wrote:
Also to address some of the concerns voiced, our overall aim was not to change the old icons just for the sake of something new or because we thought they weren't working, but to provide better granularity and at-a-glance awareness of the objects on grid.

But change is tough and we are definitely keeping an eye on your feedback in all channels as we had been during testing on Singularity for the past while. This relatively small icons swap isn't an end-all-be-all "tough luck" change we're aiming to saddle the playerbase with.

For now a few things

  • I urge patience. There are dozens of new icons to learn, and it might take the brain a while to untangle the new "messy blob" at first. Post back in a few days and share if they've changed your game for better or worse after you've gotten a little more comfortable identifying them. We'll be keeping an eye on this post initial-reaction feedback closely.
  • Check out this image to help learn your icons: http://images.contentful.com/kvd74o0q2fjg/4Hgu1BcYAE22wgokiKeYO4/4001f1c3132cc7749d9d25ec8851798e/NewOvervieBracket-IconsImage.jpg?w=1920&fm=jpg&q=85
  • While “deconstructive feedback” is cathartic in some ways I am sure, it’s likely not going to help get your point across. We are looking for specific feedback: What specifically don't you like about the new icons? Can you share an in-game story or experience which backs up your conclusions? It's the kind of feedback that's most useful to us when making calls on these types of things.
  • We've taken seriously the calls to include a "use classic bracket icons" option. Originally we thought having two sets of icons in the client might just cause confusion and miscommunication among players, and tough learning/teaching decisions for newbros as well as vets welcoming them in. However these concerns might be overblown, especially in regards to little bracket icons. In any case its definitely a debate worth having.


Thanks for reading!


btw this link STILL does not work. Any chance that someone fixes this so we get an idea what you actually put online here?
Steijn
Quay Industries
#859 - 2015-06-03 20:05:51 UTC
Taru Audeles wrote:
btw this link STILL does not work. Any chance that someone fixes this so we get an idea what you actually put online here?


link works fine.
onlyengel
Space Colony
Synergy of Steel
#860 - 2015-06-03 20:08:43 UTC  |  Edited by: onlyengel
Wiccerakith wrote:
also ich gratuliere was habt ihr denn für n schlechten **** geraucht das euch diese symbole eingefallen sind.... und gleich vorweg !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!AN DEN SCHROTT WILL ICH MICH NICHT MAL IM ANSATZ GEWÖHNEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mal davon ab das der mist für verzögerungen im spiel sorgt nein die symbole sind zudem noch grotten häßlich und verwirrend ..
hätte da mal ne idee für euch wenn ihr die sooo toll findet malt euch die aufs auto an euer haus oder auf die wand aber bitte belästigt uns damit nicht weiter oder gebt uns die wahl die alten zeichen nutzen zu können.
und das bitte gestern !!!!



Genau so sehe ich es auch.

Die neuen Symbole in der Overview sehen fast alle gleich aus, wie soll man da noch was unterscheiden können.

Wenn Ihr schon diese Symbole hier rein Kloppt, dann mach das Bitte doch auch so das man zwischen 1-2-3 Symbol-Typen wählen kann.

Denn diese Symbole sind echt das schlechteste was WIR seit der Erfindung des Schnittbrotes gesehen haben.

Danke im Voraus

PS: Wicce dein Kommentar ist Wahr