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less is often more. ccp looks like there flooded with fresh bachelors.

Let me tackle this one by one:

1) The reasons to overhaul icons are profound and correct. I enjoy the different asteroid icons now, and old ship brackets did not convey information properly. But I have never heard anyone saying they have problems with icons OTHER than ships.
Not only are you confusing people by re-using the same icon for something DIFFERENT, but you are not using the icon real estate well enough, by not using enough different forms and fills.
You should have only touched ship icons for now. A "tiericide" of the overview icons instead of a full blown revamp. Ship icons do not follow a pattern which is distinguishable enough to make a difference. This is the reason why the previous test was an utter failure because it relied on one basic shape alone.

2) Please don't say that. The feedback was bad enough, both times. We are concerned that you will actually never change a thing because since the last patch there have been ZERO improvements on Opportunities, and of the 4 starmap changes only ONE was significant since it was a bug fix. Opportunities affect "only" new players (it's just your future income) and we can still revert to the old map. We cannot revert icons.

3) You mean like the people who tested the icons on sisi for weeks already?

4) I'm sorry to say this, but this image is incomplete, and you know it. Why do you post incomplete information? This is like opportunities. They're half baked and clearly not finished, and now everybody has to pay the price. Please update the image with all icons, thank you.

5) Counter question: Are you going to pay the people who do your job? Are there going to be rewards for people who spend their free time to explain the issue of a product they are already paying for, and even invest more time to come up with solutions, all voluntarily? I can make a full set of icons which fix the issues with ships people are having, and I can scale the new ones AND the icons which are fine for all 4 sets. But who will reward me for doing so? Who will reward me with the time I can NOT spend playing in game? Talk to CCP Larrikin about my extensive feedback on the starmap which was not posted in the forum. He asked for it. And that was not even the full thing.

But to satisfy you with a little bit here: MOSTLY ship icons are bad, but overall you got too much into detail. The cargo container and wreck variance is useless. You brought too many distinctions which were not needed or wanted.

6) You are absolutely correct, it is an all or nothing scenario, and you were right to NOT allow the other set of icons for exactly this reason. This is proof that you all have the brains to make the right decisions! Which makes it even extra sad as to why some things go so horribly wrong :c

7) Not custom, but FIXED first. We have yellow for destinations. We have red for hostile NPCs. We only use white for neutral NPC and player ships. To avoid the green, give player ships AND player structures a light teal, which makes all NPC owned entities keep their white. Or do the reverse. Either way, let it be consistent. We had a great distinction between player and NPC before due to two completely different shapes. Now you are stuck with only two scenarios: colour one different than white, or fill out the player owned entities, while keeping the NPC ones empty. colour customization on an individual basis can be implemented LATER, since it won't magically make the problems with ship icons disappear.

8) I repeat what I wrote earlier:
"If you have an UI that allows fixed scaling, then you need to design from the SMALLEST possible UI choice first, and then HANDCRAFT upwards for the next versions. If it looks crisp and good on smallest size, it will look good on larger versions since you have more space to fill pixels with. Going from one size and scale it to smaller and larger sizes is the worst kind of lazy."

You KNEW about scaling issues AND ignored it? Designing one set per scale is not super hard work once the figures have been designed once. You do not have a seamless percentage slider from 75% to 150% . You only have 4 specific scaling sets. I could demonstrate you a full mockup, but who pays me with ISK for this demonstration for time I would not be playing Eve?

DEAR CCCP...WTF HAVE YOU DONE TO MY GAME...i pay to play not to sit here and wait for you to unfuk the game so it can run again in my pc....i hope you reimburse at least the skillpoints of those that due to your unannounced and rapid changes can now NOT play the game they pay for due to your quality control being so ****** that you put out a product that works for half the community. I hope you fire the ones responsible for this fukup and get your sheet together..cccp...remmeber there are plenty of games out there competing and some...are getting better thatn the crap you insist on putting out for the past few patches. So once again CCP GET, YOUR, ****, TOGETHER.

Hello,

My first feedback :

Ships :
Note : In the configuration of the game, I use the maximum level of detail.
+1 For the new Caracal look (Navy and standard). The level of detail, sharpness and vessel form are really great.
-1 Golem new look. It is too dirty. And the corners and edges of vessel worn are very ugly. The ship did not look real. The ship definition level is poor.
-1 Bustard new look. Same problem as the Golem.
-1 Widow look. Same problem as the Golem.
Note : If you want to put some dirty and worn on a ship, put your effect on Armor tank ship. It would be more logical!

Skin :
-1 New Kaalakiota Golem skin . The ship definition level is poor and same problems as above.

Ui:
-1 for Icon in Overview window. I don't understand why I have more than one type of icon for representing asteroid (example : 2 different icons for representing Plagioglase and Azure plagioglase) . I don't understand why the pod icon don't have the egg form. The new icon for pod look asteroid form. You need to reduce the number of icons

Ship preview window : At the opening of the preview window the ship appears in black and after a few seconds, details and color appears.

Ship hangar window : We also have extra delays when selecting another vessel on the Ship hangar window.

It's not a matter of getting used to them. I already have, I've been in a pvp fleet and incursion fleet and I'm currently running missions (vacation time is wonderful lol). It's a matter of the being ugly, unnecessary, hard to see for some people, less functional in some ways than the old icons and generally overcomplicated for their purpose. In other words, the whole thing is a generally bad idea.

It reminds me of all the times I ended up buying a new piece of some kind of tech only to find out that it was overly complex and buggy and thus less useful than the older version I was using. With a classic icon toggle switch it'd never see these things again, just like the Captains Quarters and the EVE launcher lol.

Well, you failed at that. If your idea of better at-a-glance awareness involves processing dozens of different shapes that are moving around, you have no understanding of how important it is to react quickly to changes in tactical situation.



It was not relatively small, it turned the perception of any grid rich with players, NPCs, drones, cans, wrecks and other entities upside down.


This is what the overview is for. In space-brackets are there to tell you whether it's time to use it. The more different types of icons are there, the more time it takes to untangle the messy blob.


-- PCs and NPCs share the same icon.
-- Drones come with a dozen icons, while most of the time not being important enough to call for that much attention. E-war drones are the exception I can think of. Hull bonused drones might be important because of the ship that controls them, but one might know what ship types are present on grid, and go from there.
-- Knowing a player ship class from looking at an icon is still not enough to make tactical decision, one has to mouse-over it or read the overview. Meaning, having different icons for different classes creates visual noise.
-- All of the new icons have those tiny bits and circles and whatnot, and that adds to the noise.
-- Some of the new icons look very much like old icons while representing wholly different things. Hello: having to re-invent decision making patterns. Not an improvement at all.



Yes, I warped to CA1 in 6-CZ on Sisi, and I could not understand if there were any ships on grid without using the overview because of ovewhelming amount of different icons, blending with and obscuring each other.

Only because you do not have a problem does not mean that others don't have either. Humans are not born equal, not even in the first world. Some specimen are more healthier by default than others, some had more luck than others too. I'm talking about accidents or other unfortunate events that caused health issues, not what people voluntarily did to destroy their body.

It is good for you that you have an expensive screen and not a potato. Not everybody can afford this, but I also don't ask you to buy them better gear, and never will. But should they stop playing a game they come to like? Stop playing with people they enjoy being around? People which are the entire reason they log on every day?

Some people even use expensive gear to make the issues at hand not WORSE than they otherwise would be. So please do not judge everybody who has a problem with the icons to be automatically poor and physically disadvantaged (*). A good screen with good lighting is not going to solve every issue. Also, please take to heart what other people have told you about the older sisi feedback and the recent one. It seems you are clearly missing out on the bigger picture. I advise you step out of your golden cage and look at the facts.
I'm glad you have the brains and body to be free of these cumbersome issues. Now please don't degrade other people and talk down to them who HAVE these issues. Do we have an agreement?

So why is the backlash so huge compared to other things? Well, most people don't care about new players once they already know what to do. Which is why the opportunities have not received as much flak as they should have. And the map? Well, the old one is still accessible.
Here? Now? There is no alternative. It is forced Captain's quarters like we had in Incarna all over the place again. Turn off the old map for real, and keep the new one as it is... and people will voice their concerns just as loud. How long did it take for CCP to understand it and apologize? Look it up. How many of us thought that CCP learned the lesson and will not do it again? Plenty. Which have, as of today at least, been sorely disappointed again.

I'm seeing long term veterans (not writing in this forum) unsubscribing because they are physically unable to work with the game any more, which might have been a little tough before but at least bearable.

Changes like these rip communities apart. Changes like these drop subscription counts. Less money means a less developed game. Nobody wants that. Not developers, not players.

(*) look at reason for edit please.

CCP,

I gotta say this you guys seem to be sticking to the exact excuse statements and reasons, yet you will continue to drive forward and roll out what you wish to have done in this game. I sit on my wallet for now you have proven even more that as a paying customer the entire community's feedbacks go ignored.. all cause you think its better your way and not the way of the community.

I have to sit on reserve now watching these changes impact the game and my gameplay, feels as if I like many others are reaching crossroads to deciding to continue paying to play eve online.

im very disappointed in you ccp and whats even worse the near future changes coming to the game it just is too much.

these outcries can not be ignored, its simple reasoning and no confusion at all to include "opt out" options when adding new features to the overview/hud or anything else....

why just why do you continue going down the same road again and again..( you caused rage at 1st with the sensor overlay, finally it was resolved with a turn off option) yet its like you never paid attention to that phase and did it all over again today with the icons.

the new icons are incredibly awful.. its an eye sore, I absolutely have no idea why you focused on that instead of the many I repeat many issues going on in eve online.. its like you turn blinds-eye to important stuff then move that down the list and decide to mess with something that wasn't even broken..

so if its working.. its broken.. If its broken you'll get to it later.

awful.. just awful..

burn everything peeps if you can manage to figure out what you're targeting.. burn jita, amarr, rens, burn it all.. burn this bish down!

Well i saw few people in 0.0 taking out services with noob ships in 5minutes.
So now, everyone with 5minutes time and noob ship can take out any station service, later stations i guess.
I think people will stop using conquerable stations, because this mechanic is just dumb.

Can't Launch the game....Great