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You got plenty of this, in the SiSi thread. But no dev response in that for weeks...in the thread CCP started....start there.


200 and how many icons? Relatively small? 12 seperate container icons...small medium and large asteroids? There is more but alas, i'm paying YOU to do that kind of legwork...

New icons are unbearable. Can you pls give us a option to choose, like with a new map?

The new overview icons? Well test your brain in a simulated pvp situation:

You jump through gate, hostiles camping, quick decision needs to be taken, your heart is beating like a jungle drum, engage or not?

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Let's get this one started with old icons:

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Overview loads, 3...2....1.... Let's go!

Old icons

=> Quick decision to engage, lights on green!

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Ok, same situation, new icons:

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Overview loads, 3...2....1.... Let's go!

New overview

=> You get it?


Military experts are calling this a cynosural.... ah wait.....information overflow!


moep moep

okay,
Constructive feedback:
1. Learning curve. For those who have played for any length of time, their brain has already "learned' the symbols, associated it with an object(s), assigned it a logical order, and prioritized it accordingly ( threat, non-threat ). This is critical because reaction time and ability to process loads of incoming information in Eve counts for a lot. To the new player, there is nothing to Un-Learn, one needs to simply learn.

2. Object recognition. When the brain sees an unrecognizable symbol or character, it automatically begins to search memory for an association, when it returns with a query or "closest approximation" result instead of an answer, the process that relies upon retrieving that information halts. Now introduce multiple unrecognizable symbols and the process becomes even more confusing. That confusion results in brain lag (for lack of a better word ) because as humans, we are by nature "problem solvers".

3. Essentially, by introducing numerous icon changes with different meanings, associations, you have created learning chaos instead of a structured learning curve. introduce one related symbol at a time ( ships, celestial s, deployable, etc. ) over a period of weeks to allow the human brain to un-learn and re-learn what it is supposed to know. Data dumps are not productive!

Sigh.....we really need a 'use old icon' option here.

See the problem here with the new icons is this.....

An idiot savant genius of a CIVILIAN thought that the same symbols used on a map boar belonged on the battlefield..............

Wrong, battlefield is required for simple....very simple icons and understanding for the sake of speed and efficiency.
Tactics.

Now strategy....where you use a mapboard with many different units of varying sizes, types, and unit identifiers....yeah thats where you use this stuff.

The eye will try to process the symbols over the text next to them...causing confusion and mistakes. and that eats up time...time precious for those attempting to fight on the battlefield.

There is your answer Devs, thats the problem with the new overview icons. if some want them then fine, but those that dont...which is many to include myself should have the option to us the old icon system. its that or get rid of them.....period.

We do not need to know roles and stuff like that measured by icons on a battlefiled.....hell most vets already know them by ship type.....or what they set the meta up as.
So please smack your idiot CIVILIAN in the head who thought this was a good idea and do something about it.

agreed free choice of options this is just gettin forced onto us wether we like it or not

HELL YES !!!!


Edit: Heck I would even like to Colour Drone and Ships different colours.
Example for me would be:
Red = Hostile NPCs
White = Friendly NPCs
Orange = Players
Blue = Drones

Sorry to say that, because I know there have been efforts for that specific issue already, but the drone icons... It prevents a lot of that at a glance awareness.

Maybe remove the colored aura they have around them? And instead fill them with whatever color the aura should've had?

At first I thought the launcher was not downloading the patch, but you need to hover the mouse over the launcher to the update bar move.

I am not writing on the forums much. The last time i think was in the days of the jita riots.
That i am here again now is because, the overview/icon issue concerns me on nearly the same level.

Also i wasnt on Sissi the last weeks and didnt become aware of this changes at all. So it hits
me like a sledgehammer when i undocked after the patch. I looked into some keynotes from fanfest 2015
and became the impression that textures, shaders and pretty shiny stuff is very much in the focus.
That the game also has to attract the pixel perverts is something i fully understand. If you messed up
something there i can just scroll out (as it is mostly in space) and live with it.

The overview is holy! It is THE crucial tool we need to earn our daily bread (at least when you do pvp)
If changes are planned, the more i wonder now why this wasnt a focus on Fanfest? not just in a small roundtable room,
on a big forum with questions and answer and so on... things could have been sort out for costumer
satisfaction before getting live on Tranq?

CCP Surge wrote:
Also to address some of the concerns voiced, our overall aim was not to change the old icons just for the sake of something new or because we thought they weren't working, but to provide better granularity and at-a-glance awareness of the objects on grid.

for me things are worse now because:

there is no clear progression from small to big
Npcs and players are messed up now
most of the new icons make no sense for me

beside the fact, new players now have to know not only the different ships, but also dozens of different
icons for them, i dosent get why this should be needed? (except special situation...you are a ganker on a gate
waiting for a special type of hull)

When it comes to the situation that two players meet on a grid (d-scan beside)
first look is size than the type column....why messing up the space with dozens of icons

In big fleet fights its again columns...sorted by type or name or you lock the target from fleet broadcast
again no real need to float space with dozens of different icons

Edit: why you are trying to squeeze the information of three columns into a single one???

sarkasm on //
i mean why not using this 2d code
all the player has to do than is taking a picture with his smartphone, waiting for google to tell him
what kind of entity he just encounter and maybe after that the player has enough time to react properly //sarkasm off


from time to time i get e-mails from your marketing department, and been kindly asked:
how long i play..what i do...how i get into the game

maybe other than optimizing how people get into the game you should also optimize people staying in it!
After nearly a decade now this mess and after shooting a monument in jita, what else can the players do
to be heard.....i guess airlines didnt like the idea of people with pitchforks and torches on trans-atlantic travels.